The Pointless but funny links-thread

[ThunderTitan]

Seen it. And frankly religions should be taught at schools, maybe that way people would actualy know what they were talking about when arguing about them. It just shouldn't be taught in science class.

[asandir]

agreed TT, i had it at my school and it helps to have a rudimentary understanding of the other religions, especially at these times of strife

[DaemianLucifer]

agreed TT, i had it at my school and it helps to have a rudimentary understanding of the other religions, especially at these times of strife

I dont think creationism counts as understanding of religions.And I prefer learning about it in sociology and(partially)philosophy than have it as a separate class.

[asandir]

i think it would get lost in amongst those other topics DL .... and creation vs evolution should never be taught in my opinion .... there is no real proof that you can present for either .... strangely they both require faith for their validity

[DaemianLucifer]

i think it would get lost in amongst those other topics DL .... and creation vs evolution should never be taught in my opinion .... there is no real proof that you can present for either .... strangely they both require faith for their validity

Fosile evidence and radiation mutation arent proof enough for the evolution?How about the growth in hight between a modern man and ancient one?Or genetic engineering?Theres lots of proof for evolution.I am not saying that it hapens randomly,or guided by someone,but that evolution is happening.If creationism sayd that evolution was trigered and/or tailored by some divine entity,Id have nothing against it.But it saying that evolution never happened is just wrong.

And this is way of topic.We should either stop it,or open the new thread.

[ThunderTitan]

Fosile evidence and radiation mutation arent proof enough for the evolution?How about the growth in hight between a modern man and ancient one?Or genetic engineering?Theres lots of proof for evolution.

stefan.urlus got it wrong, there is proof for evolution, it just isn't proven. Creationism on the other hand can't be scientificaly proved. Thus not science.

And imo teaching religions in philosophy class wouldn't be a good thing, it would just confuse the issue more. Religion isn't 100% philosophy.

[Corribus]

stefan.urlus got it wrong, there is proof for evolution, it just isn't proven. Creationism on the other hand can't be scientificaly proved. Thus not science.

Proof and proven are dangerous words. Better to say that there is substantial evidence to support evolution, so much so that the theory is pretty much accepted as fact by scientists worldwide, much the same way that relativity or quantum "theories" are accepted as "fact". And furthermore, I'd be careful EVER claiming that anything cannot be "scientifically proven" - as if that has any meaning whatsoever.

Although the following:

Seen it. And frankly religions should be taught at schools, maybe that way people would actualy know what they were talking about when arguing about them. It just shouldn't be taught in science class.

Is just about the smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

[ThunderTitan]

Proof and proven are dangerous words. Better to say that there is substantial evidence to support evolution, so much so that the theory is pretty much accepted as fact by scientists worldwide, much the same way that relativity or quantum "theories" are accepted as "fact". And furthermore, I'd be careful EVER claiming that anything cannot be "scientifically proven" - as if that has any meaning whatsoever.

Next thing you'll want me to actualy care about making sense.... like that will ever happen.

Is just about the smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

I'll try not to ever equal it. Don't want people to think i could actualy carry on a decent conversation, they might get ideeas.

[asandir]

Proof and proven are dangerous words. Better to say that there is substantial evidence to support evolution, so much so that the theory is pretty much accepted as fact by scientists worldwide, much the same way that relativity or quantum "theories" are accepted as "fact". And furthermore, I'd be careful EVER claiming that anything cannot be "scientifically proven" - as if that has any meaning whatsoever.

exactly the point i was making, thanks Corribus

faith is required since the "proof" is not really proof at all. I certainly am a believer in evolution, as it has some evidence to support it, but think that we (as the human race) will never have the full answer

[DaemianLucifer]

exactly the point i was making, thanks Corribus

faith is required since the "proof" is not really proof at all. I certainly am a believer in evolution, as it has some evidence to support it, but think that we (as the human race) will never have the full answer

This one can be used in everything.Is it really true that the massive bodies have higher gravity?What if it works in a very similar but different way,and we may never find what way it is?Thats where occams razor comes into place,and the most probable solution is accepted.True,there is a chance that world was created 5000 years ago,and fosile evidence are just planted,but what are the odds for that?Also,if youll never know the real reason why something happened,why not accepting the one that seems most likely to you?

[Caradoc]

Creationism could be proven. A being could show up and demonstrate the ability to manifest matter and energy, and to organize it into living systems.

I've always taken the position that I will become a Christian if and when Jesus appears to me. Could be he is real and does not care to do so. Could be he is planning to appear later on. But for now, for me, he does not exist.

Same goes for the Creator.

[asandir]

exactly what i stated i had done .... i am a believer in evolution, but made an observation that i think we will never know for sure which was actually true, the fact that we have scientific evidence for one and basically just faith for the other, makes me side with the evolution argument, but it can't be proven (at least not yet), and same for creation (unless caradoc's event occurs )

[Gaidal Cain]

Creationism could be proven. A being could show up and demonstrate the ability to manifest matter and energy, and to organize it into living systems.

Well, for it to be considered proof in the scientific sense, there'd have to be a way to summon that being at will. The fact that the Bible claims that Jesus walked on water can't be seen as proof of him being divine in the scientific sense, as repeatability is a very important part of science.

[asandir]

I'm not sure that being able to summon the "supreme being" at will would either be proof, or really in keeping with having a "supreme being"

perhaps that being showing everyone that he/she/it exists and can do basically anything he/she/it wants would be proof - not even really sure about that though

[DaemianLucifer]

Yay!A religion debate!I love those

Though Im not sure I want to turn this into a flame war.So,Ill just turn this back to topic:

http://spamusement.com/

[asandir]

i don't mind them either, but perhaps in it's own topic if anyone can be bothered

[DaemianLucifer]

Fine,Ill open one.Mods would be such dearest creatures if they moved the off topic creationism posts from here to this thread

[ThunderTitan]

Also,if youll never know the real reason why something happened,why not accepting the one that seems most likely to you?

Because you might be wrong?

Creationism could be proven. A being could show up and demonstrate the ability to manifest matter and energy, and to organize it into living systems.

I've always taken the position that I will become a Christian if and when Jesus appears to me. Could be he is real and does not care to do so. Could be he is planning to appear later on. But for now, for me, he does not exist.

Well that's stupid. How do you know that's not some really advanced alien or something?



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[asandir]

exactly TT .... we have not the faculties to be able to determine the truth in such a situation, what are we gonna do, polygraph it???

[ThunderTitan]

what are we gonna do, polygraph it???

Right, you never know if it's not a sociopathic alien.

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Alabama
It is illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while operating a vehicle.
Dominoes may not be played on Sunday.
It is illegal to wear a fake mustache that causes laughter in church.

California
Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.
Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
Bathhouses are against the law. [Get the full text of this law.]
It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
Women may not drive in a house coat.

Florida
Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.
It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.
It is illegal to skateboard without a license.
When having sex, only the missionary position is legal.

Kansas
Prohibits shooting rabbits from a motorboat.

Louisiana
It is illegal to rob a bank and then shoot at the bank teller with a water pistol.

Indiana
It is illegal for a liquor store to sell cold soft drinks.
Liquor stores may not sell milk.

Michigan
You may not swear in front of women and children in the state of Michigan.

Nebraska
It is illegal for bar owners to sell beer unless they are simultaneously brewing a kettle of soup.

New York
A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll.
It is against the law to throw a ball at someone's head for fun.
A license must be purchased before hanging clothes on a clothesline.
The penalty for jumping off a building is death. Laughing Laughing

North Dakota
Beer and pretzels can't be served at the same time in any bar or restaurant.
It is illegal to lie down and fall asleep with your shoes on.

Ohio
It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday.
It is illegal to get a fish drunk.

Pennsylvania
A person is not eligible to become Governor if he/she has participated in a duel.

Texas
It is illegal to take more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.
It is illegal to drive without windshield wipers. You don't need a windshield, but you must have the wipers.
It is illegal for one to shoot a buffalo from the second story of a hotel.
It is illegal to milk another person's cow.
A recently passed anticrime law requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed.
The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home.

Wisconsin
You must manually flush all urinals in a building.
Butter substitutes are not allowed to be served in state prisons.