Heroes V Lore Discussion *Spoiler*

Sikon · Unread postby **Sikon** » 16 Jul 2006, 06:34

How did Biara know about Agrael's whereabouts and disguise?

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 16 Jul 2006, 06:40

Sikon wrote:How did Biara know about Agrael's whereabouts and disguise?

Oh please!It couldnt be more obvious if he had a giant flashing banner that says agrael with him.

Gaidal Cain · Unread postby **Gaidal Cain** » 16 Jul 2006, 06:44

Odolwa wrote:They could had written something like:
"Nothing of Shadya's past is known".

So, why make a fake story?

Because unlike the other characters, Shadya has some brains and can lie. She's not very good at it, but considering the general intelligence of the population of Ashan, she's probably seen as a genius.

Bandobras Took · Unread postby **Bandobras Took** » 17 Jul 2006, 04:30

Actually, the peasants in the first Haven map were fairly smart -- they wanted to keep well out fo the way of the demons.

It was just their luck to run into a tainted tempermental queen.

Gaidal Cain · Unread postby **Gaidal Cain** » 17 Jul 2006, 18:15

They had the options "Get killed now" and "Maybe get killed later". They went with the first, and you call them smart?

Bandobras Took · Unread postby **Bandobras Took** » 17 Jul 2006, 18:27

Gaidal Cain wrote:They had the options "Get killed now" and "Maybe get killed later". They went with the first, and you call them smart?

Sure, I'd rather be killed quickly by a human swordsman than eaten alive by a hungry horned demon.

Odolwa · Unread postby **Odolwa** » 17 Jul 2006, 19:48

Besides, if I were a peasant, I wouldn't expect my queen to kill me just because I refused to be slaughtered by demons.

Damn, It's hard to describe how much one hate Isabel

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 17 Jul 2006, 20:24

Odolwa wrote:Besides, if I were a peasant, I wouldn't expect my queen to kill me just because I refused to be slaughtered by demons.

Someone wasn't paying attention in history class.

Seriously, wouldn't it have been easier to run away from Isabel then to fight her? Or pretend to go along and then go AWOL?

Odolwa · Unread postby **Odolwa** » 17 Jul 2006, 21:15

ThunderTitan wrote:Someone wasn't paying attention in history class.

Just because Haven got a Middle Ages-theme, doesn't mean that everything must be exactly as it was IRL.
For instance, Nicolai was dearly loved by his people (unlike the cruel medieval kings of Europe).

So if I were one of the Griffin peasants, I would except my beloved king to choose someone kind-hearted as his wife, not some bloodthirsty murderer like Isabel.

Bandobras Took · Unread postby **Bandobras Took** » 17 Jul 2006, 23:58

It's fairly obvious Nicolai didn't make them go to war.

Come to think of it, did Isabel have authority to the execute the Peasants? She herself was not acting on Nicolai's orders.

chaosgorgon · Unread postby **chaosgorgon** » 18 Jul 2006, 04:59

well, guys, it seems that you are confusing a queen with a snow white, in how looks Isabel is a queen, the earlier "isabel" looks too innocent

and how it act, well, is also a queen

anyway the story seems somehow interesting, and can let interesting things in the xpansion, but also it seems that is the same H3 story reworked in other direction, -the argument of the returned king-, anyways, its a loooot more interesting than in H3

Meandor · Unread postby **Meandor** » 18 Jul 2006, 09:02

anyways, its a loooot more interesting than in H3

You probably haven`t read most of the texts during the mission.

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 18 Jul 2006, 11:28

Bandobras Took wrote: Come to think of it, did Isabel have authority to the execute the Peasants?

She was royalty. They were disrespectful. There's enough authority right there.

Odolwa wrote: Nicolai was dearly loved by his people (unlike the cruel medieval kings of Europe)

Clearly not paying attention. Plenty of loved monarchs killed those that disagreed with them in painful ways. Dracula's still a national hero around here.

Not joining the army = treason. They still kill people for that.

Sikon · Unread postby **Sikon** » 18 Jul 2006, 11:45

For instance, Nicolai was dearly loved by his people (unlike the cruel medieval kings of Europe).

Evidence?

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 18 Jul 2006, 13:36

Sikon wrote:Evidence?

He was a god looking blond and they surely must have loved him based on that?!

Bandobras Took · Unread postby **Bandobras Took** » 18 Jul 2006, 13:48

ThunderTitan wrote:
Bandobras Took wrote: Come to think of it, did Isabel have authority to the execute the Peasants?
She was royalty. They were disrespectful. There's enough authority right there.

She was nobility, but to be royalty, she would have actually had to have been married. Were those even her family's lands she was wandering through? I can't remember at the moment.

Thunder Titan wrote:Not joining the army = treason. They still kill people for that.

Again, if Isabel had no authority or jurisdiction there (she was not the queen and was not acting on the King's orders) then it's not treason.

It's okay to call for volunteers, but unless these were her peasants, conscription would be a violation of the rights of the lord/lady whose land it was.

Odolwa · Unread postby **Odolwa** » 18 Jul 2006, 15:17

Sikon wrote:Evidence?

The priest that was gonna marry Nicolai and Isabel said:
"..marriage between our BELOVED sovereign Nicolai and..".

Besides, he seems very noble and caring for his people.
In Fantasy-games, the kings of the human kingdoms are in general very loved by their people. Just check out Warcraft, among other games.
This is fantasy, not the Middle Ages of Europe.

SCum · Unread postby **SCum** » 18 Jul 2006, 15:23

Odolwa wrote:
Sikon wrote:Evidence?
The priest that was gonna marry Nicolai and Isabel said:
"..marriage between our BELOVED sovereign Nicolai and..".

I wonder how long that priest would be breathing if he had said "..marriage between our despicable sovereign Nicolai and..".

I wouldn't have let him live.

Besides, I'm assuming things do not work in Ashan, as it did here. Not strictly, either way. The fact remains though, Isabel's current servants didn't mind slaying those peasants for her.. Makes you wonder.

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 18 Jul 2006, 15:28

Odolwa wrote: "..marriage between our BELOVED sovereign Nicolai and..".

Yeah, i'm sure "..marriage between our NOT REALLY HATED sovereign Nicolai and.." would have went over very well.

BT wrote:She was nobility, but to be royalty, she would have actually had to have been married.

Royalty usualy married other royalty back in the day (royalty by blood btw). Nobility was granted with land ownership.

Odolwa · Unread postby **Odolwa** » 18 Jul 2006, 16:23

ThunderTitan wrote: Yeah, i'm sure "..marriage between our NOT REALLY HATED sovereign Nicolai and.." would have went over very well.

He could simply have skipped the word "beloved" and said:
"..marriage between our sovereign Nicolai and.."

I doubt he would use the word unless it was true.

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