Silly names in HoMMV! ...and alternatives to them!

BenchBreaker · Unread postby **BenchBreaker** » 28 Apr 2006, 21:07

few suggestions for replacements of bad names:

infernal steed -> nightmare
hell stallion -> nightmare
nightmare -> crimson nightmare

lizard rider -> dark raider
black raider -> dark champion
lizard knight -> shadow knight

blood matron -> dark matriach
shadow mistress -> dark matriach

footman -> swordsman
swordsman -> elite/master swordsman
swordsman -> crusader
swordsman -> myrmidon

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 28 Apr 2006, 21:22

How about Flaming Nightmare. Or Nightmare Flambe. It describes the upgrading process perfectly.

Red Hot Nightmare... or thet might work better for the Succubus...

Dark Raider -> Dark Champion is a good name, even if it's too late now. Maybe we can get them to change it in an Exp or a patch, though by then we'll probably be used to IT.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 06 May 2006, 20:39

I thought creature names are bad,but dwelings have even worse names.Heart of the pit?!

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 06 May 2006, 21:42

Well, at least they're consistant....

dragonn · Unread postby **dragonn** » 07 May 2006, 08:46

theLuckyDragon wrote: Aw, what the heck. Sex-changing creatures are a sort of 'brand' of Heroes, at least that's how I see it. So what if it's illogical? It's funny!

Well, for me it's logical. I once said how I see it so I'll say it once more:

The mechanism works like that: there is a mage, and he summons a Rakshassa from her plane. Then the mage gets a promotion, and now with bigger funds and knowledge he is able to summon another (statisticaly stronger

) being in the place of the she-cat: the Raja. It is not a traditional type of an upgrade when an old unit gets better equipment/training. In this case one unit is replaced with another one.

Maybe that's the case...

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 07 May 2006, 09:24

dragonn wrote:Well, for me it's logical. I once said how I see it so I'll say it once more:

The mechanism works like that: there is a mage, and he summons a Rakshassa from her plane. Then the mage gets a promotion, and now with bigger funds and knowledge he is able to summon another (statisticaly stronger ) being in the place of the she-cat: the Raja. It is not a traditional type of an upgrade when an old unit gets better equipment/training. In this case one unit is replaced with another one.

And what happenes when rani is upgraded to raja?They all get consumed by the mage in order to have enough energy to summon rajas?

dragonn · Unread postby **dragonn** » 07 May 2006, 09:35

DaemianLucifer wrote: And what happenes when rani is upgraded to raja?They all get consumed by the mage in order to have enough energy to summon rajas?

No. Rani is send back to her plane, and Raja is summoned in her place. It can be seen in most fantasy games when for instance an Air Elemental is replaced with Greater Air Elemental etc. but you still can summon only one creature...the mages control the number of creatures that can be summoned at a time.

Orfinn · Unread postby **Orfinn** » 07 May 2006, 10:30

dragonn wrote:
DaemianLucifer wrote: And what happenes when rani is upgraded to raja?They all get consumed by the mage in order to have enough energy to summon rajas?
No. Rani is send back to her plane, and Raja is summoned in her place. It can be seen in most fantasy games when for instance an Air Elemental is replaced with Greater Air Elemental etc. but you still can summon only one creature...the mages control the number of creatures that can be summoned at a time.

Sounds logical, not a bad theory at all.

Wolfshanze · Unread postby **Wolfshanze** » 15 May 2006, 17:37

I haven't read every post around here, but just how hard/easy is it for the END-USER (ie: you or me) to edit/change the default names in the game to something else?!?!

That way folks could have Minotaur/Minotaur King or whatever the heck they please as the name of the unit.

Is that possible? At least within reason? Or is it deep coded into the game and hard/difficult to change?

theLuckyDragon · Unread postby **theLuckyDragon** » 15 May 2006, 17:47

Actually, I don't think it's "hard coded", but more like "lots of code". It's probably in all the various files in data.pak, so if you want it to work you have to change the names of lots of files.

@dragonn
It's a nice idea, indeed. But I liked it more when things were illogical.

Gaidal Cain · Unread postby **Gaidal Cain** » 15 May 2006, 17:52

I'd think they only keep the name associated with the unit at one place (as in what you encounter on the adventure map and your army), but that it also has it in dwelling descitpion and the like. This means that it should be quite easy to change the majority of the occasions you have to see it, but trickier to do it absolutely everywhere.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 15 May 2006, 18:08

Wolfshanze wrote:I haven't read every post around here, but just how hard/easy is it for the END-USER (ie: you or me) to edit/change the default names in the game to something else?!?!

That way folks could have Minotaur/Minotaur King or whatever the heck they please as the name of the unit.

Is that possible? At least within reason? Or is it deep coded into the game and hard/difficult to change?

Well it is in the original code in HIV,or the equi team would surely change the idiotic megadragon.As for previous sequels,Im not sure.But I believe that the names are,unfortunately,hardcoded.Modifiable creatures would be a nice addition though.

Gaidal Cain · Unread postby **Gaidal Cain** » 15 May 2006, 18:37

Well, in WoG, you can change the names of the creatures with an ERM script, which means that it isn't coded too hard into the structure...

Wolfshanze · Unread postby **Wolfshanze** » 15 May 2006, 19:03

So basically it's too early to tell with HoMMV? Nobody knows for sure yet how hard or easy it would be to change the existing unit-names in the game to something else?!?!

Gaidal Cain · Unread postby **Gaidal Cain** » 15 May 2006, 20:06

Well, if someone was anxious to find out, trying to do it with the demo would likely be a very good indication of how hard it would be...

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 24 May 2006, 18:31

You need halls of honor to boost your hell charger/nightmare growth

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 31 Aug 2006, 18:33

Time to ressurect this one with the mighty snow ape and lava dragon -> magma dragon(or is it vice versa?)

My suggestions for a change would be yeti(because even this sounds better then snow ape),and fire drake -> lava drage.But seeing how hellcharger stayed,Im a bit sceptical about the changes for these

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 31 Aug 2006, 22:16

A little off topic but I have always thought the upgrade for Unicorn should be White Unicorn. I know I know, a little weak sounding. White Unicorns stand for purity and according to myth was one of the few creatures a dragon did NOT want to tangle with. Not even the fact that the dragons had flight, breath weapons, and a size advantage seemed to make a difference. A battle was 50/50, dragons loosing as many times as they won. Now that is something (as dragons were supposedly the most feared creature from the 'prime material plane' (ie not some infernal, elemental, ect plane). Anyhow lots of good suggestions and some genuinely funny stuff here, so keep up the good work.

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 31 Aug 2006, 23:11

Too much D&D for you Mystical Numbers dude.

Tysar · Unread postby **Tysar** » 31 Aug 2006, 23:11

DaemianLucifer wrote:Time to ressurect this one with the mighty snow ape and lava dragon -> magma dragon(or is it vice versa?)

My suggestions for a change would be yeti(because even this sounds better then snow ape),and fire drake -> lava drage.But seeing how hellcharger stayed,Im a bit sceptical about the changes for these

I agree with you about the Snow Ape, but we don't know whether it will be a large hairy humanoid or a white gorilla. As for the dragons, Warlock made a nice suggestion before to rename them as Salamanders. Could be something like Salamander -> Volcanic Salamander... well, *cough*, anyone have better ideas for the upgrade?

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