GrayFace MM8 Patch v2.5.7 [Mar 4, 2022]

[Eksekk]

Me? join MM discord? I have some ideas but absolutely no LUA knowledge whatsoever. I'm sure I'd just be cluttering the place up with no good reason for being there <grinning>

You don't need any knowledge to join it, we have plenty of players who just like sharing their experiences and discussing the games. It's not just modmakers, as CH threads tend to show.

[GrayFace]

Besides, imho, the "Magic" in M&M VI just, erm, vacuums for the player.

No idea what you mean.

Not so for the minions who always hit, the majority of which hit you with completely unblockable energy Magic.

No, there's no such thing as energy magic. All energy attacks are blockable by Armor Class. Only actual spells (e.g. Flying Fist) are unblockable, with the exception of a few blockable spells.

[-] Agar's Laboratory (d19): You could get +50 intellect any number of times.

I'm hoping that all team members can, at least, get one INT boost each?

Yes.

[Pedantic]

Besides, imho, the "Magic" in M&M VI just, erm, vacuums for the player.

No idea what you mean.

Lolz - I mean "What a Vacuum Cleaner" does, primarily, being the opposite of blows.

Not so for the minions who always hit, the majority of which hit you with completely unblockable energy Magic.

No, there's no such thing as energy magic. All energy attacks are blockable by Armor Class. Only actual spells (e.g. Flying Fist) are unblockable, with the exception of a few blockable spells.

I know you're right, now! I've been reading a lot of your posts re: Resistance, and also Armor Effect. Still Learning here.
eg. 100% Res. only blocks max 60% (if you're lucky) and I'm now also using the plus 40 AC at Kriegspire along with Stoneskin. Needless to say my Team is a whole lot tougher, now, @ AC 200+ late game but still getting the bejeezers knocked out of me. Those Dragon Riders caves are BRUTAL.

[-] Agar's Laboratory (d19): You could get +50 intellect any number of times.

I'm hoping that all team members can, at least, get one INT boost each?

Yes.

I like how you operate, which is ( imho ) in a just and fair manner. If this was a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game then the authors of the unofficial patch would have simply removed the +50 bonus completely, on the grounds that it was an unintended oversight by the developer - which is why I compile my own Patches for those two franchises.

btw - thanks for the reply and confirmation, also for setting me straight on mm6 Energy Magic. I guess looking things up in Monsters.txt isn't as cut and dried as it at first appears. One thing I've discovered, though, is that you can beat nigh on everything to death with high enough Spirit Magic, Accuracy, and plain ol' Melee. Ugh.. Oozes, I hate that Flying Fist doesn't work on those slime balls, unlike Fears, Terrors, and Nightmares.

[GrayFace]

eg. 100% Res. only blocks max 60% (if you're lucky) and I'm now also using the plus 40 AC at Kriegspire along with Stoneskin.

No, if you're super lucky you block 93.75%. 60% is average at 100. AC is immensely important.

I like how you operate, which is ( imho ) in a just and fair manner. If this was a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game then the authors of the unofficial patch would have simply removed the +50 bonus completely, on the grounds that it was an unintended oversight by the developer - which is why I compile my own Patches for those two franchises.

In this case it would be too hard to call inintended, because it was very clearly intended (they even set the "drank" flag, but forgot to check it). But yes, I've leaned that even changing things to what devs intended tends to break someone's playstyle and thus should be disable-able, e.g. fixing bugs that can be abused or making obelisk quest in MM8 require visiting all obelisks, which I had to add to installer to communicate better.

[Pedantic]

No, if you're super lucky you block 93.75%. 60% is average at 100. AC is immensely important.

93.75% is even better ! ( I really ought to read more in depth - eh? )

Anyway, and again, thanks for the insight on the real inner workings of this classic game.

[GrayFace]

93.75% is even better ! ( I really ought to read more in depth - eh? )

https://grayface.github.io/mm/mechanics/#Resistances

[Xfing]

Not sure if already mentioned (most likely yes), but in MM8 remote healing is said to start working at Expert, but in fact works at Normal. Not sure if it's also a bug in MM7, but I recall that one of the games worked differently in this regard than others did. Also this may have been fixed already and I just have crappy memory haha