Like Tears in Rain

[ThunderTitan]

>>I use witchpunk for my own style of fantasy. Magic is purely scientific and just another form of technology, like any other, as opposed to an arbitrary or supernatural concept.<<

But then it's not magic...

I mean you can quantify it and have rules for it, but in the end it's either unexplained, and thus magic, and not another form of tech, or has some sort of technobabble behind it and it's not magic, but some sort of side effect of science, or genes, or a wish machine at the centre of the planet etc... and thus not actual magic.

[hatsforclowns]

>>I use witchpunk for my own style of fantasy. Magic is purely scientific and just another form of technology, like any other, as opposed to an arbitrary or supernatural concept.<<

But then it's not magic...

I mean you can quantify it and have rules for it, but in the end it's either unexplained, and thus magic, and not another form of tech, or has some sort of technobabble behind it and it's not magic, but some sort of side effect of science, or genes, or a wish machine at the centre of the planet etc... and thus not actual magic.

That's a pretty dysmal and boring view of magic...and I guess that also makes gravity magic. Not to mention that not too long ago even electricity was magic.

[XEL II]

Actually, there were implications and references to sci-fi background in HoMM, those are the Eye of Goros, the Kreegan (7th leve of Inferno) and mention of the Silence. Even if sci-fi wasn't overt in HoMM, this spin off is still part of MM unvierse, which is sci-fi in a nutshell.

"Corak was here" in King's Bounty is just an easter egg (there was one about King's Bounty somewhere in WoX, too), this games is not part of MM series.

[hellegennes]

@XELL:



The Eye of Goros, Ironfist, etc are just self-references for the amusement of the designers and the fans they sought to attract from the MM fanbase. These are not the same items/people from previous MM games. And we talked about the Kreegans. Heroes' Kreegans look nothing like the MM Kreegans and all the units are taken from a Dante's depiction of hell. Though these are supposed to be the same race, unlike previous references, like Crag Hack, etc., they were created to fit in the fantasy style of Heroes and no scifi traits can be seen.



Not that if they would mention that Kreegans were aliens would make that scifi unless we could see spaceships and tech stuff we see in the MM games. There was nothing like that in Heroes. Following the same logic we could easily argue that Lord of the Rings is scifi as well.

[GreatEmerald]

From what I hear, the HoMM1 manual does state that it includes sci-fi elements. The fact that NWC made King's Bounty into a MM game doesn't mean that they didn't want it to be Science Fantasy. Quite the opposite - they simply didn't have a chance to include the elements, and when they finally realised that, it was too late.

[Avonu]

Plus, if you say that blasters are overpowered, you're clearly doing something wrong. They were always worse than artifact/relic bows and such, and that's from all the way back to MM1.

Not in term of shooting speed - that's why blasters are superior to artifacts/relics (unless your attack button will "jam" when you are shooting with bows ).

[XEL II]

Again, Kreegans don't stop being Kreegans when we don't see their spaceships. And, in the physical appearance, HoMM Kreegans are very similiar to MM models. The only difference is their clothing, and even that was in the same style as the models of flying Kreegans from MM6. Kreegans in HoMM are not some different Kreegans, they are the same race. And they are called demons and devils by those who don't know about their origin because they look demonic, in both MM and HoMM.

HoMM was linked to MM in HoMM1 manual. Morglin Ironfist is a member of the Ironfist dynasty from VARN 4, who had gotten to Enroth from VARN through a portal. Eye of Goros is an Ancient artifact of the same type that was featured in MM1, and HoMM1 also had Archipelago of the Ancients. MM6 tied HoMM 1-2 to MM even more loosely, providing the backstory of planet Enroth. HoMM is not some "alternate MM universe", the world and lore are the same with the main series.

That makes sci-fi a totally legitimate thing for HoMM series story-wise. The only reasonable complain here would be the style and artistic representation of sci-fi in Heroes. This is one of the more sensible problems people had with the Forge. I, for one, am sure that, knowing NWC, they must have done the job well.

[Corlagon]

"Corak was here" in King's Bounty is just an easter egg

Thanks for clarifying that, Mr. Van Caneghem

[hatsforclowns]

The only rasonable complain here would be the style and artistic representation of sci-fu in Heroes..

Sci-fu!? Holy fuck!! Where do I get some!!?? Seriously...that's...that's...just awesome...in so many ways...

[XEL II]

Thanks for clarifying that, Mr. Van Caneghem

No need for silly sarcasm here. Or you might as well start tying all the easter eggs to the storyline. WoX, for instance, had easter egg references not only to King's Bounty, but also to Vegas Games, Spaceward Ho!, Inherit the Earth, Tunnels and Trolls, Nuclear War and Planets Edge.

[XEL II]

Sci-fu!? Holy ****!! Where do I get some!!?? Seriously...that's...that's...just awesome...in so many ways...

Funny how you're going crazy over a simple typo

[hatsforclowns]

Sci-fu!? Holy ****!! Where do I get some!!?? Seriously...that's...that's...just awesome...in so many ways...

Funny how you're going crazy over a simple typo

Yes, a simple typo...but that seriously brought amazing images into my mind. Damn it, stop being unintentionally creative!

I wasn't making fun of you or being sarcastic...I like that typo, very much!

[Corlagon]

Oh? I must have missed all the mentions of Corak in those games...?

[XEL II]

Oh? I must have missed all the mentions of Corak in those games...?

Don't act like you don't get the point. I was saying that easter eggs like these are just humorous (for the most parts) references to some things or other games, it's redundant to consider them part of the story.

[Corlagon]

But I'm not joking around or trying to make a fool out of you. I honestly see nothing redundant or humourous about it. It's quite clear to me that if there's a signpost saying Corak was there, then he was there as far as we know.

There's no "Corak was here" signpost in Inherit the Earth or Spaceward Ho. No Might and Magic characters were ever mentioned in any other NWC games outside the series. And none of the other games were cited as the inspiration for Heroes. So they don't make valid analogies.

Did I miss something (...as usual)? Did somebody from NWC tell you it was just a silly easter egg?

[XEL II]

Isn't that clear? This sign has totally no relevance to the story, it's never explained anywhere. Besides, why would anyone just put a sign saying "[someone] was here" on the spot person visited? It is pretty obvious that this was an easter egg (which could have been fitted into the storyline, yet the developers didn't do it) considering that there is a "mutual" easter egg in WoX referencing KB.

And I wasn't talking about Corak when mentioning other NWC games, it was an example of self-referencing in easter eggs. There are references to all those games in WoX (which surely contain some element from them i none way or another), but that doesn't mean they are linked story-wise. Why would an easter egg of similar fashion in KB be any different in that regard?

[Corlagon]

So "Corak was not here", is essentially what you're claiming?

[XEL II]

I agree that it would be interesting to explain how has Corak visited the Four Continents, although it's clear that the sign was supposed to be an easter egg. He could have visited it when using the time machine in his attempts to free CRON from the control of Sheltem's personality copy.

[hatsforclowns]

Kilroy was here.

[XEL II]

So "Corak was not here", is essentially what you're claiming?

Yes. Or "Corak being here was an easter egg reference to MM and the famous "Kilroy was here" graffiti" to be precise.