Necromany changes in 2.1 (take a seat: you'll need it)

[Alamar]

Nice changes, I mus say

Hopefully, Ubival will make other factions also more interesting.

I'm happy enough with most of the other factions that I see. This isn't to say that I wouldn't mind a few tweaks here & there but overall the basic factions with V1.41 doesn't look bad to me.

[PhoenixReborn]

I wouldn't mind a few tweaks here & there but overall the basic factions with V1.41 doesn't look bad to me.

Anyone know what the difference between 1.41 and 1.5 is? I thought 1.41 was just a multiplayer fix and 1.5 would bring it up to all these changes.

[Kilop]

in 1.5 more changes are to be done, and a duel hero editor implemented.
I wonder why there wasn t duel heroes in other HMM games

[King Imp]

Hopefully, Ubival will make other factions also more interesting.

While I do think this new Necromancy change is cool and all, I still don't agree with the adding of new stuff over fixing bugs that have existed since back in the closed beta. Fix everything first and then give us new stuff.

Frankly, I don't see people complaining for them to give us new material, but I sure as hell do see most people screaming for them to get around to fixing the problems.

[Mesciurius]

For all of you necromancer out here here his some data on the new necromancy mechanics:
1)"Skeleton archers" was replaced by "Mark of the necromancer" (no other skill replace "MN" in the skill tree)

2) Dark Energy is restored in the beginning of the week.
3)The quantity of Dark energy is:
Base constant: 200
+for each Necromantic Amplifier: 150
+for Grail building :150
+For each Necromancer hero.
HeroLevel coeficient * 1 for basic
* 2 for advanced
* 3 for expert.
* 4 for Mastery.

4. Total_Dark Energy – is a limit for player, not his hero. It is like a resource.
5. After a Necromancer fights screen a window “Raising Dead” appears.
6. If a he has not enough Dark Energy the window will not appear(the first it happen a message saying the “you have not enough dark energy ”will appear)

8. Necromancers can raise not only skeletons but all other undead creatures.
9. The price of raised creature is in Dark Energy = Round(Creature_Power / 25)
10. Different creatures are raised as different undead, but always of fixed type.

[Mesciurius]

Creature || Power|| Dark Energy cost

Skeleton --------54 ----2.16
Skeleton Archer -----84 --------3.36
Zombie --------------105 --4.2
Plague Zombies ----150 --------6
Ghost ---------------232 ----9.28
Spectre --------------312 ----12.48
Vampire --------------518 ---20.72
Vampire Lord ------739 ---29.56
Lich -----------------1166 -----46.64
ArchLich ---------1518 -----60.72
Wight ----------------2180 -----87.2
Wraith ----------------2588 -----103.52
Bone Dragon -------3174 ----126.96
Spectral Dragon -------3905 ----156.2


This means that 1 Skely will cost 2 DE points
10 Skely will cost 21 DE points
100 Skely will cost 216 DE points

[Shauku]

Thanks! One question though,
Is the percentage of raised creatures tied to HP like previously was the case with Raising Skeletons or to the number of creatures?

Like will 20 Succubus (HP 20) raise vampires (HP 30) according to total Succubus HP (400) or the number of creatures 20?

[Mesciurius]

The raise mechanism is still based on HP.

[Mesciurius]

creature raise table
Gremlin ________Skeleton Archer
Master Gremlin ________Skeleton Archer
Stone Gargoyle ________NONE
Obsidian Gargoyle________NONE
Iron Golem________NONE
Steel Golem________ NONE
Mage________Lich
Archmage________ArchLich
Djinn ________Wight
Djinn Sultan ________Wight
Rakshasa Rani ________Wraith
Rakshasa Raja ________Wraith
Colossus________Wraith
Titan ________Wraith
Peasant ________Skeleton
Conscript________Skeleton
Archer ________Skeleton Archer
Marksman________Skeleton Archer
Footman ________Plague Zombies
Squire ________Plague Zombies
Griffin ________Ghost
Imperial Griffin________Spectre
Priest ________Lich
Inquisitor________ArchLich
Cavalier________Vampire Lord
Paladin ________Vampire Lord
Angel ________NONE
Archangel________NONE
Enforcer_______ Skeleton

Crossbowman________Skeleton Archer
Vindicator________Zombie
Battle Griffin________Spectre
Zealot ________ArchLich
Champion________Vampire Lord
Fallen Angel________NONE

[Mesciurius]

Scout ________Skeleton Archer
Assassin ________Skeleton Archer
Blood Maiden ________Skeleton
Blood Fury ________Skeleton
Minotaur ________Zombie
Minotaur Guard ________Plague Zombies
Dark Raider ________Vampire
Grim Raider ________Vampire
Hydra ________Ghost
Deep Hydra ________Spectre
Shadow Witch ________ArchLich
Shadow Matriarch ________ArchLich
Shadow Dragon ________Bone Dragon
Black Dragon ________Spectral Dragon
Imp ________Skeleton
Familiar ________Skeleton
Horned Demon ________Zombie
Horned Overseer ________Plague Zombies
Hell Hound ________Ghost
Cerberus ________Spectre
Succubus ________Vampire
Succubus Mistress ________Vampire Lord
Hell Charger ________Spectre
Nightmare ________Spectre
Pit Fiend ________Wraith
Pit Lord ________Wraith
Devil ________Wraith
Arch Devil ________Wraith
Air Elemental ________NONE
Earth Elemental ________NONE
Water Elemental ________NONE
Fire Elemental ________NONE
Death Knight ________NONE
Phoenix ________NONE
Wolf ________ Spectre
Mummy ________ NONE
Manticore ________ Bone Dragon

[Mesciurius]

Pixie ________Ghost
Sprite ________Spectre
Blade Dancer ________Skeleton
War Dancer ________Skeleton
Hunter ________Skeleton Archer
Master Hunter ________Skeleton Archer
Druid ________Lich
Druid Elder ________ArchLich
Unicorn ________NONE
Silver Unicorn ________NONE
Treant ________Wight
Ancient Treant ________Wraith
Green Dragon ________Bone Dragon
Emerald Dragon ________Spectral Dragon
Defender ________Plague Zombies
Stout Defender ________Plague Zombies
Axe Fighter ________Zombie
Axe Thrower ________Zombie
Bear Raider ________Ghost
Blackbear Raider ________Spectre
Brawler ________Vampire
Berserker ________Vampire Lord
Rune Mage ________ArchLich
Flame Mage ________ArchLich
Thane ________Wraith
Warlord ________Wraith
Fire Dragon ________NONE
Magma Dragon ________NONE

[Corelanis]

Only one thing suprises me about this like thx btw. Why doesnt the angel raise into anything?

[Mesciurius]

I believe they consider the Angels something like an elemental , they are pure beings .!?
Some data on the DE bonus from the hero:
hero …Basic……Advanced
level ……necromancy……… necromancy
1 …………. 1 …………. 2
2 …………. 1 …………. 2
3 …………. 1 …………. 2
4 …………. 1 …………. 2
5 …………. 1 …………. 2
6 …………. 1 …………. 2
7 …………. 2 …………. 5
8 …………. 4 …………. 9
9 …………. 6 …………. 13
10 …………. 9 …………. 19
11 …………. 12 …………. 24
12 …………. 15 …………. 30
13 …………. 18 …………. 36
14 …………. 21 …………. 43
15 …………. 25 …………. 50
16 …………. 28 …………. 57
17 …………. 32 …………. 64
18 …………. 36 …………. 72
19 …………. 40 …………. 80
20 …………. 44 …………. 88
21 …………. 48 …………. 97
22 …………. 52 …………. 105
23 …………. 57 …………. 114
24 …………. 61 …………. 123
25 …………. 66 …………. 132

[Jolly Joker]

Angels disappear from the bf when they die, so they cannot be raised.

Interesting that Unicorns can't be raised. I thought it was the Genies. I had a battle including Unicorns and Genies and thought it was the Genies that couldn't be raised.

[Corelanis]

Well disappearing and purity makes sense. How the f@#k do you get a dragon from a manticore? I didnt even notice that unicorns couldnt be rasied. Yea it would make sense for djinni/genies whatever couldnt be raised they do disappear after they die just like angels but I guess that would make academy a bit too necromancer resistant. Thx for the answers.

[MistWeaver]

Well, at last Nival did something intresting. Of course that already was (except Dark Energy ) in H4 equilibris. (rising undead creatures depending on level of slain creatures, including Bone Dragons from "alive" Dragons) But its ok.

I realy hope to see "Line of sight" in H6

[Adicto]

And now that necropolis is no more based on a legion of skeleton archers, is there any change in the undead's stats? because now its firepower is no more feared (Death Cloud makes crap damage), and the roles of some creatures have changed, so the faction seems more imbalanced and diffuse than ever.

[Starbatron]

This is exciting news. As a new convert to the necromancy, the possibilities here are endless...well, almost.

[Jolly Joker]

And now that necropolis is no more based on a legion of skeleton archers, is there any change in the undead's stats? because now its firepower is no more feared (Death Cloud makes crap damage), and the roles of some creatures have changed, so the faction seems more imbalanced and diffuse than ever.

What are you talking about?

[Corelanis]

I believe hes refering to the issue people had before the release of the game, about how necropolises creatures having low stats making them crap to play. I figure theyre still going to be at least decently powerful if for no other reason than mark of the necromancer and raise dead. As I see it only 1 creature role that changed skeleton archers are now ranged support instead of your main damage dealers.