Mummy Evolution

The old Heroes games developed by New World Computing. Please specify which game you are referring to in your post.

Pick your favorite undead creature wrapped in bandages:

H2 Mummy
10
11%
H2 Royal Mummy
32
35%
H3 Mummy
17
18%
H4 Mummy
19
21%
H5 Mummy
14
15%
 
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Unread postby Wildbear » 13 Jan 2007, 00:31

ThunderTitan wrote: From what i remember other mummies weren't really made with the toilet-paper, they used other things.
Most other mummies were either naked, wearing real clothes (ritual or not), or into shrouds. The first option is... not visually interesting :sweat: , the second, could be but it would make it harder to see the difference between zombies and mummies, and would require to define an ancient visual culture prior to make them fit into the game's universe, the third one would make it really hard for them to move without looking like a worm, so I think the bandages are the best. You've probably noticed that bandages are much wider in Heroes than they are on real mummies, that alone makes enough of a difference to say it's inspired by Egyptian mummies but not simply copied (when in fact it's because it's easier to do it that way, but that doesn't matter ;) ).
As for ingame justification, that could be easily explained either by a cult that makes mummies or an ancient civilization. You could also say that those are magical, and what make a mummy. What does the descriptin of the Mummy say anyway?
Of course it could be explained, but it isn't, and doesn't fit the environments excepted for deserts.
I have no problem about telling mummies are magical, but that doesn't explain their Egyptian appearance.
Now for how mummies are described, as I wrote in my first post, a dried out dead person, and that's it. That means you can't directly see the bones, and that you should see the skin. That skin should most likely be tanned, ie turned into leather, so it's dark (that's where the name mummy comes from, "mumia" means wax in Latin).
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Unread postby Akul » 13 Jan 2007, 10:21

Wildbear, why don't you sent an article about mummies to bestiary? You seem to know a lot about theme :)
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Unread postby Grumpy Old Wizard » 13 Jan 2007, 12:43

I voted HOMM5 mummy for his usefulness, not his looks.

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Unread postby Wildbear » 13 Jan 2007, 13:31

Sauron wrote:Wildbear, why don't you sent an article about mummies to bestiary? You seem to know a lot about theme :)
The bestiary is complete enough on that point, especially the missing details would only bring confusion among different types of mummies.
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Unread postby Deni » 13 Jan 2007, 14:00

voted h2 mummy

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jan 2007, 15:31

Wildbear wrote:You've probably noticed that bandages are much wider in Heroes than they are on real mummies, that alone makes enough of a difference to say it's inspired by Egyptian mummies but not simply copied.
Well the clothes one the HoMM ones aren't exactly an exact copy either, they're just close enough.

Wildbear wrote: Now for how mummies are described, as I wrote in my first post, a dried out dead person, and that's it.
I meant ingame.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 13 Jan 2007, 19:47

ThunderTitan wrote: Well the clothes one the HoMM ones aren't exactly an exact copy either, they're just close enough.
They aren't "just close enough", they aren't culturally neutral, they are direct references to the ancient Egyptian culture.
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jan 2007, 21:08

Wildbear wrote: They aren't "just close enough", they aren't culturally neutral, they are direct references to the ancient Egyptian culture.
Neither are toilet-paper mummies. And i'm sure that if you look enough you'd find other civilizations that had similar clothes, even if only for one object each.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 13 Jan 2007, 23:47

ThunderTitan wrote: Neither are toilet-paper mummies. And i'm sure that if you look enough you'd find other civilizations that had similar clothes, even if only for one object each.
Now, I'm happy you're sure about your own baseless hypothesis, but that's hardly an argument, and especially not a good one.
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jan 2007, 23:51

Wildbear wrote: Now, I'm happy you're sure about your own baseless hypothesis, but that's hardly an argument, and especially not a good one.
It's as good as your dismissal of the toilet paper without showing other mummies that are TP'd.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 14 Jan 2007, 00:18

I already explained why I think it is better that way, but since you aren't reading you probably missed it.
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Unread postby Veldrynus » 14 Jan 2007, 00:41

The bear has made his point clear, even I was able to understand it! (It has a few logical flaws, BTW) Why is it neccessary to continue this boring discusion? Don't you have anything else to do?
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Jan 2007, 01:44

Wildbear wrote:I already explained why I think it is better that way
And i think your reasoning is wrong... WRONG.

And my hair isn't dry yet, so i can't go to sleep yet, so i really don't have anything else to do.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 14 Jan 2007, 01:51

ThunderTitan wrote: And i think your reasoning is wrong... WRONG.

And my hair isn't dry yet, so i can't go to sleep yet, so i really don't have anything else to do.
Oh yeah, and your reason is that bandages are purely ancient Egyptian objects to you, you even call them bandaid, which as anybody knows is an ancient Egyptian trademark. Now if you don't have any better argument, you should dry your hair.
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Jan 2007, 02:18

Wildbear wrote: Oh yeah, and your reason is that bandages are purely ancient Egyptian objects to you, you even call them bandaid, which as anybody knows is an ancient Egyptian trademark.
I'll try to be less subtle next time. By that logic i could say that you belive golden headdresses and staffs are exclusive to ancient Egypt. All right, mummies aren't egyptian unless they have clothes, you convinced me.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 14 Jan 2007, 02:29

ThunderTitan wrote: I'll try to be less subtle next time. By that logic i could say that you belive golden headdresses and staffs are exclusive to ancient Egypt. All right, mummies aren't egyptian unless they have clothes, you convinced me.
Those of that style are. And I never wrote Egyptian mummies had clothes, but that clothes on H5 mummy are stereotypic ancient Egyptian clothes, which do not fit in H5 due to the lack of references to any culture similar to that of ancient Egypt in H5. Looks like I was too subtle too.
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Jan 2007, 03:36

And toilet-paper mummies™ are stereotypic ancient Egyptian.
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Unread postby Wildbear » 14 Jan 2007, 05:09

Stereotypic Egyptian mummies aren't wrapped in toilet paper, but into strips and sheets of white linen. Although most famous Egyptian mummies are wrapped into such strips, not all of them are. Some south American mummies were loosely wrapped into rags.

H4 mummies are wrapped into pieces of cloth that are wider than those of the stereotypic Egyptian mummies, and those pieces of cloth aren't tightly constricting the body of the mummy, therefore it can be considered as rags and not Egyptian strips of linen. So what covers the H4 mummy is not an Egyptian stereotype.
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Jan 2007, 13:52

And the H3&5's cloathes aren't exact copies of real egyptian stuff either. There's also the little thing about stereotypes not being 100% accurate...
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Unread postby Wildbear » 14 Jan 2007, 17:24

You'll find them in Halloween costume shops. Since you're just disagreeing for your own fun I won't even look for the name of those crowns and scepters from ancient Egypt.
Stereotypes aren't 100% accurate, but they distinguish cultural elements here, again without any reason in-game reference to any similar culture (which is the point, but you're so focused on finding weak arguments that you're constantly digressing).
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