Heroes VI creatures proposal

[BenchBreaker]

Well, i have practically given up on Heroes 5, so here's my Heroes VI creature list

Haven
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Pikeman -> Phalanx -> Imperial Guard
Archer -> Marksman
Swordmaster -> Myrmidon -> Crusader
Priest -> Zealot (Huge offence, but weak)
Priest -> Templar (Priest wearing armor, like a mage knight)
(can only choose one upgrade, kinda like in h4)
Gryphon -> Royal Gryphon
Royal Gryphon -> Gryphon Kinght(melee)
Royal Gryphon -> Dragoon(ranged)
Cavalier -> Champion -> Paladin
Angel -> Archangel

Inferno
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Imp -> Familiar(flyer)
Imp -> Devilkin(walker)
Gog -> Gog Shaman(resurrect imp)
Hell Hound -> cerberus
Demon -> Raging Demon -> Chaos Demon
Succubus -> Succubus Mistress
Hell Stallion -> Nightmare
Efreet -> Efreet Sultan
Pit Lord -> Infernal Lord
Devil -> Archdevil

Forest
-------
Pixie -> Sprite
Leprechaun
High Elf -> Sharpshooter -> Master Hunter
Satyr -> Elder Satyr
White Tiger
Elven Swordsman -> Mystic Swordsman (extremely good at retalliating)
Druid -> High Druid
Pegasus + Unicorn -> Valkyrie (mystic Swordsman on a winged unicorn)
Treant -> Ancient Treant
Firebird -> Pheonix
Faerie Dragon

Acadamy
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Gremlin -> Master Gremlin
Dwarf -> Dwarven Engineer
Gargolye -> Obsidian Gargolye
Stone Golem -> Iron Golem -> Silver Golem
Black Mage -> Archmage
White Mage -> Archmage
Genie -> Master Genie
Naga -> Naga Queen
Blizzardbird
Golem Dragon
Giant -> Titan

Necropolis
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Skeleton -> Skeleton Warrior -> Skeleton Champion
Skeleton -> Skeleton Archer -> Burning Archer
Zombie -> Plague Zombie
Wraith -> Specter
Mummy -> Royal Mummy
Werewolf
Lich -> Power Lich
Vampire -> Vampire Lord
Dread Knight -> Dark Champion
Bone Dragon -> Specter Dragon
Bone Dragon -> Dracolich

Dungeon
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Troglodyte
Kobold -> Kobold Warrior
Kobold -> Kobold Necromancer
Harpy -> Harpy Hag
Dark Elf -> Shadow Hunter
Evil Eye -> Beholder
Minotaur -> Minotaur King
Medusa -> Medusa Queen
Manticore -> Scorpiocore
Chimera -> Death Chimera
Red Dragon -> Black Dragon

Stronghold
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Goblin -> Wolf Rider -> Wolf Raider
Berserker -> Raging Berserker
Orc -> Orc Chieftain
Centaur -> Centaur Captain
Troll
Nomad -> Warlord
Ogre -> Ogre Lord
Ogre -> Ogre Magi
Roc -> Thunderbird
Cyclops -> Cyclops King
Behemoth -> Ancient Behemoth

Swamp
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Knoll -> Knoll Marauder
Lizardman -> Lizard HeadHunter
Lizardman -> Lizard Shaman
Serpentfly -> Dargonfly
Basilisk -> Greater Basilisk
Toxic Wisp -> Venom Spawn
Gorgon -> Death Gorgon
Giant Turtle -> Swamp Fortress
Wyvern -> Wyvern Monarch
Hydra(3 heads) -> Chaos Hydra(6 heads) -> Apocalypse Hydra(9 heads)

that's all, it think it's 20 creatures a town :-)

[ThunderTitan]

God, I hate upgrades.....

Blizzardbird?! - needs a better name, like Frostwing or something.
Death Chimera! Death Gorgon! - too forced.
Raging Berserker! - and we could also have a Fast Speedster.
Apocalypse Hydra! - just NO.

[BenchBreaker]

oh well, there is the "thunderbird" - not exactly a great name and the "fire bird", anyway call it whatever you like, but you get the idea...

[ThunderTitan]

Oh, yeah, welcome to the Forum. Have a nice stay, and try to avoid getting biten by DL (if he ever shows up again).

The suggestions aren't bad, just some of the names.

Also, please don't break any of our benches.

[Orfinn]

Yeah what happened to DL? You have posted alot more than him and I thought he was the spa...erh post king here.

Anyway....Nice proposals there but you know we need something new then the old upgrade system, even with 3 upg and more creatures in each town, it gets repetive, a choice, choice upg system would be 10x better but harder to balance.

Oh and welcome to the boards, enjoy your stay

[yourworstnightmare]

Don't really get why the leprecauns have to be reintroduced. They were annoying when they started to pop up from everywhere with basic sommoning in HoMMIV. The best news I've heard so far about HoMMV are: no Leprecauns!!

[Qurqirish Dragon]

Don't really get why the leprecauns have to be reintroduced. They were annoying when they started to pop up from everywhere with basic sommoning in HoMMIV. The best news I've heard so far about HoMMV are: no Leprecauns!!

Careful, or you'll be labelled a "everything HoMM4 is bad" person

Anyway, it is easy to come up with a long list of creatures (I think some of these are TOO long, personally), but they need a little fleshing out. Not a lot, just a few comments.
For example (and I am only doing one level of one town for this):

Medieval town (castle, knight, haven,...): predominantly human
Level 1: peasant- weak, slow, melee, taxpayer
level 1+: militia- average, melee
level 1++a: pikeman- good defense, melee
level 1++b: slinger- poor defense, range attack

each + is an upgrade. You must choose between an "a" and "b" upgrade (only one per town). average means nothing particularly good or bad. If one aspect (speed, health, attack, defense, damage) is unusually high or low, it gets noted (lousy, poor, good, &c).
If I have time, I'll list my ideas for a new HoMM lineup in this format.

[BenchBreaker]

... we need something new then the old upgrade system, even with 3 upg and more creatures in each town, it gets repetive, a choice, choice upg system would be 10x better but harder to balance...

i totally agree, that's why i've tried to include at least one creature with choice upgrade in each town, also creatures may have 0, 1 or 2 levels of upgrades.

[BenchBreaker]

...Anyway, it is easy to come up with a long list of creatures (I think some of these are TOO long, personally), but they need a little fleshing out. Not a lot, just a few comments.
For example (and I am only doing one level of one town for this):

Medieval town (castle, knight, haven,...): predominantly human
Level 1: peasant- weak, slow, melee, taxpayer
level 1+: militia- average, melee
level 1++a: pikeman- good defense, melee
level 1++b: slinger- poor defense, range attack

each + is an upgrade. You must choose between an "a" and "b" upgrade (only one per town). average means nothing particularly good or bad. If one aspect (speed, health, attack, defense, damage) is unusually high or low, it gets noted (lousy, poor, good, &c).
If I have time, I'll list my ideas for a new HoMM lineup in this format.

the reason i made long lists for each town is so that few creature are missing, without having too many towns. also with more choice for each town and the proper restriction on resorces, the game can be made more strategic, so early on players have to effectively choose the creatures, without the absolute choice like in heroes 4, and in late game with enough resources you can build all of them to add variety.

one creature i didn't include is the peasant because i just don't like it messing around in my shiny, well organised human army, i see no reason for the "rich and mighty" holy empire to employ them as soilders (maybe that's just me) anyway i am fine with them as a netural creature.

[I_Dun_Hat3_CT]

Preferably, i like your proposal very much. However if you can include some without upgrades[LIKE H2], it would add in some tactical atmosphere. By they way the 2 levels upgrade is great.

[BenchBreaker]

Preferably, i like your proposal very much. However if you can include some without upgrades[LIKE H2], it would add in some tactical atmosphere. By they way the 2 levels upgrade is great.

If you look carefully, there are some creatures that can't upgrade, e.g werewloves and trolls :-)

[Thelonious]

First of all welcome Bench breaker.

Why have you given up on HoMM V? In what sence do you mean this?

Anyway, I'm not a real fan of your proposal, though I like the chaotic upgrade thing. I'm just not a fan of the upgrade names.. anyways the ceratures them self aren't to bad.

Welcome I_Dun_hat3_CT as well, hope you have a nice stay etc. etc. Though I must attend you to the fact that you have a banner which is strictly forbidden; check the campfire for the signature rules. If you don't take away the banner yourself a modrator will do so.

[Kalah]

@ Benchbraker: H5 isn't even released yet and already we issue concrete suggestions for new games? Let's just see if this one is a success first, shall we? After all, if it isn't then we have probably seen the last game of the series...

@ I_Dun_Hat3_CT: According to the RT signature rules, your sig is not allowed. Please be so good as to remove same.

[DaemianLucifer]

Yeah what happened to DL? You have posted alot more than him and I thought he was the spa...erh post king here.

I just took some time of to digest the new recruits

And,to get back on topic:Yes,it seems nice,but Id prefer a no upgrade,or expirience upgrade system.And as for names,well well have worse in HV.

[lordskeleton]

How about some new ideas for towns. Or should we just keep playing heroes 3 on and on with every game that comes out?

[soupnazii]

Hi guys i had nothing better to do so i mad my list of Haven creatures.
Qurqirish Dragon- sorry for using your method, but it was really convenient.

Haven – Human, medieval

1 Peasant
1+ Militia
1++a Pikeman (High defense, average attack)
1++b Swordsman (Average defense, high attack)

2 Slinger (Archer?)
2+ Archer (Marksman?)
2++a Crossbowman (High damage, increased range penalty)
2++b Sharpshooter (Average damage, no range penalty)

3 Knight
3+ Sergeant (Better name??)
3++a Swordsmaster (Low damage, high defense, slow, double attack)
3++b Infiltrator (High damage, low defense, fast, unlimited retaliation)

4 Cavalier
4+ Hero
4++a Imperial Guard (High damage, average defense, magic resistant)
4++b Paladin (Low damage, high defense, casts beneficial spells)

5 Wild Gryphon
5+ Battle Gryphon
5++a Imperial Gryphon (High attack, very high defense)
5++b Mounted Gryphon (Average attack, average defense, fast, battle dive ability, ranged {no melee penalty})

6 Priest
6+ Zealot
6++a Monk (average damage, low defense, fast, casts beneficial spells)
6++b Inquisitor (Average damage, average defense, slow, casts harmful spells)

7 Spirit
7+ Angel
7++a Archangel (High attack, high defense, casts harmful spells)
7++b Guardian Angel (Average attack, very high defense, casts beneficial spells, resurrect once per battle)


There it is. i might add more later on for other towns. tell me what you think.

-also- i was thinking about making it like {build first guy, choose between two upgrades, then upgrade whichever one you chose} like this:
1
1+a
1+b
1+a+
1+b+
but that was too complicated. maybe someone else wanna try that.

[vicheron]

Asylum (neutral) – Mutants, failed wizard experiments, and outcasts who have banded together to protect each other from those that would hunt them.
1. Misbegotten -> Blighted
2. Slag Construct -> Automaton
3. Sludge Feeder -> Carrion Beast
4. Lycanthrope -> Werewolf
5. Beholder -> Evil Eye
6. Warped Mage -> Mind Reaver
7. Manticore -> Chimera

Dominion (evil) - An alliance of bandits, evil men and monsters trying to carve out a piece of the world for themselves.
1. Bandit -> Marauder
2. Giant Vulture -> Blood Hawk
3. Poacher -> Manhunter
4. Acolyte -> Dark Priest
5. Dark Knight -> Anti-Paladin
6. Fell Serpent -> Drake
7. Devourer -> Slayer

[Sir Alock]

Well, i have practically given up on Heroes 5, so here's my Heroes VI creature list

Why in gods name have you given up on HoMMV aleady? It's not even on the streets yet! Gez Louise...Give it a try! I myself love the new demo. It's HoMM3 with pretty graphics & game play seems very solid.

[ThunderTitan]

By his statement i'm guessing he doesn't like the creature aligment.

And I really don't like the Graphics, damn you Warcraft 3. The game seems nice though.

[Qurqirish Dragon]

Hi guys i had nothing better to do so i mad my list of Haven creatures.
Qurqirish Dragon- sorry for using your method, but it was really convenient.

By all means, use my notation. That's what I used for my notes when I came up with my HoST (Heroes of Science and Technology) idea- basically a sci-fi version of HoMM. With a couple others' input, I had 4 races set up, and a general design.
I ought to see if I still have the old file on my computer somewhere.