Planning to Buy ‘Tribes of the East?’

[MistWeaver]

The real reason ..... I don't have Heroes V

Ubi needs more money from the same ppl. So TotE is stand-alone (and thus - full priced). Catch your chance

Art is always personal taste.

Yes. But you know, there are few criterias that define a difference between Sistine Chapel and results of drawing lesson in kindergarten.

Just like there is a diffrence between "art" and "works"

[PhoenixReborn]

Ubi needs more money from the same ppl. So TotE is stand-alone (and thus - full priced). Catch your chance

I think it's going to be the price of HoF, not original Homm V.

As a stand-alone, it will include all factions (including the dwarves) from the previous titles, but not any of the other content (maps and campaigns).

[MistWeaver]

I think it's going to be the price of HoF, not original Homm V.

HoF was cheaper because you could not play it without buying original.

[Jolly Joker]

That's FICTIONAL crossover.
What I meant was CROSSOVER which comes out of the music scene.

Movies and games are fictional.

And in music CROSSOVER refers to singing in a different style then your usual one (blues vs rap etc.), not mixing them.

The first 2 are personal taste.

Everything's personal taste, some ppl might enjoy a horrendously buggy game coz bugs don;t bother their personal taste.

No, you are wrong.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_(Musik)
This is sadly in German, but is a better article than this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_(music)
Lastly, stop trying to tell me what I have meant or should have meant, please. I should know best what I meant.

[Jolly Joker]

Art is always personal taste.

Yes. But you know, there are few criterias that define a difference between Sistine Chapel and results of drawing lesson in kindergarten.
Just like there is a diffrence between "art" and "works"

We are talking about a game here, which means we are neither talking the Sistine Chapel nor drawing lessons in the kindergarden but something in between. And since it's sold for a couple Euros the only relevant question is whether you like it, not whether it's art or not or what kind of style it is.

[ThunderTitan]

No, you are wrong.
Lastly, stop trying to tell me what I have meant or should have meant, please. I should know best what I meant.

Are you talking about this:
Crossover is a term applied to musical works and performers that achieve popularity with mainstream audiences beyond the usual listenership of their particular genre. The term is also used within the music industry to refer to a marketing strategy with this goal.

So my wording was a bit off. But if you're arguing that people that like horror might get into H5 because it was stitched together like the monster ur wrong.

And i'm not telling you what you meant, i'm telling you you're expressing it wi the wrong words.

Look for Fusion (music) on wiki, that's what you're talking about. It's name in german it's not my concern.

[Jolly Joker]

Fusion is an older term that was used mainly for jazz-based mixing of styles. Because of that rock or metal-based-fusion wasn't called fusion but crossover in the 80s. From then on the term has used in varied ways, but the main theme keeps essentially the same.

My point was that the mixing of styles as in composed of different and frightful part stitched together with one wrong move and everything will fall apart, as MistWeaver described it, would apply to a lot of crossover records as well - and if you need a name I could put in Limp Bizkit here who stitched together one Frakenstein that could move fairly well, but obviously made at least one wrong move because their beast pretty much fell apart after their Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dod Flavored Water album - which is a Frankenstein as a name as well.

So eventually a Frankenstein doesn't have to be a bad thing necessarily is what I meant to say.

[ThunderTitan]

Fusion is an older term that was used mainly for jazz-based mixing of styles. Because of that rock or metal-based-fusion wasn't called fusion but crossover in the 80s. From then on the term has used in varied ways, but the main theme keeps essentially the same.

The 80's were about hair band, so they don't count.

But the other definition of musical crossover seem more common nowaydays, so stop living in the past.

Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water album - which is a Frankenstein as a name as well.

It's called an euphemism actually...

[okrane]

Are you comparing a stupid, sub-hollywoodian, narrow, unoriginal, insipid plot with a musical current?

I have a better term of comparation / adjective to use: BS.

[Jolly Joker]

Fusion is an older term that was used mainly for jazz-based mixing of styles. Because of that rock or metal-based-fusion wasn't called fusion but crossover in the 80s. From then on the term has used in varied ways, but the main theme keeps essentially the same.

The 80's were about hair band, so they don't count.

But the other definition of musical crossover seem more common nowaydays, so stop living in the past.

Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water album - which is a Frankenstein as a name as well.

It's called an euphemism actually...

Is it? What's euphemistic about it? Anyway, you can call it whatever you like, it's still a Frankenstein of an album title, which doesn't mean it's bad, it just means it looks, well, constructed.
For crossover definitions there are actually more than two which means you can obviously use the word in any defined sense you like. Still, *I* can do that as well, I did, and I explained the sense. That should end this.

[ThunderTitan]

Is it? What's euphemistic about it?

It has something to do with Uranus.

[MistWeaver]

We are talking about a game here, which means we are neither talking the Sistine Chapel nor drawing lessons in the kindergarden but something in between.

No, we are (or I am) talking about in-game art, not just game. Art is about impression and self-expression, and it doesnt matter if its priceless work of renaissance artist or game art. It still can and should impress you someway if its true. Or it can be ..insincere when its done by principle "Ill be paid anyway", or even worse - when its done by vainglorious amateur.

I agree that art factor can be of little import for many games (Civilization or MOO for example) But sometimes it has major significance like in Disciples 2 or coming "Tension (Тургор)". Thats where imagery and accordingly, atmosphere, plays a lot in overall gameplay experience.

For me its important part of HoMM as well. So my interest in that game is not just about intellectual chalange (like chess). And whole thing is not just about me not liking H5 art. Its also about me seeing that it was made carelessly. Just like a lot of other aspects of this game.

[Jolly Joker]

Is it? What's euphemistic about it?

It has something to do with Uranus.

Doesn't ring any bells here. Either I'm too stupid or my English isn't good enough - or both. Can you elaborate?

[Jolly Joker]

We are talking about a game here, which means we are neither talking the Sistine Chapel nor drawing lessons in the kindergarden but something in between.

No, we are (or I am) talking about in-game art, not just game. Art is about impression and self-expression, and it doesnt matter if its priceless work of renaissance artist or game art. It still can and should impress you someway if its true. Or it can be ..insincere when its done by principle "Ill be paid anyway", or even worse - when its done by vainglorious amateur.

I agree that art factor can be of little import for many games (Civilization or MOO for example) But sometimes it has major significance like in Disciples 2 or coming "Tension (Тургор)". Thats where imagery and accordingly, atmosphere, plays a lot in overall gameplay experience.

For me its important part of HoMM as well. So my interest in that game is not just about intellectual chalange (like chess). And whole thing is not just about me not liking H5 art. Its also about me seeing that it was made carelessly. Just like a lot of other aspects of this game.

I disagree. There are some aspects that could have been better in the sense that there should have been taken more care, but that can be said about all (Heroes) games. Artistically it's leagues ahead of, for example H IV (where for example the town screens are simply ugly). But, okay, it's not a milestone for ingame-art. On the other side I don't know what you expected: I don't think Homm has ever blown away the players with artistical greatness - not even 2.

[ThunderTitan]

Doesn't ring any bells here. Either I'm too stupid or my English isn't good enough - or both. Can you elaborate?

U don't know the Uranus joke?! UR skillz are lacking. Take out the first 2 letters and see what you get.

(where for example the town screens are simply ugly).

No, there's just all then same one with different buildings, which make them boring.

[Jolly Joker]

Doesn't ring any bells here. Either I'm too stupid or my English isn't good enough - or both. Can you elaborate?

U don't know the Uranus joke?! UR skillz are lacking. Take out the first 2 letters and see what you get.

(where for example the town screens are simply ugly).

No, there's just all then same one with different buildings, which make them boring.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with the album title? Still no bells ringing. I can't make anything sensible out of it by dividing the words of a title in a different way.
Anyway, yes, the town screens are all the same, but they are ugly like hell at that. Not a iota atmosphere. Ugly. Even the ICONS'S coloring is ugly. Probably the ugliest aspect of all homm games so far.

[ThunderTitan]

Chocolate Starfish.... Uranus. think about it.

[King Imp]

I always knew what Chocolate Starfish was a reference to, but I had to just look up Hot Dog Flavored Water. I'm getting two different explanations from UrbanDictionary.com.

Which one of these lovely descriptions is the one they were going for?

[Pol]

Oh my god. Where your are going for such phrazes? Can you told us TT?

[ThunderTitan]

Which one of these lovely descriptions is the one they were going for?

I believe Pol's link says it all.