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asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:05

if something is an event and it happens, then it happens, there is nothing to quibble about, this is the kind of question that crazy scientists mutter to themselves around the musty corridors of "vital knowledge" .... when in actuality it has no purpose, no reason, and is actually rather simple

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:09

No,not really.You can use any event you can think of.In fact,you can use it to avoid police as well

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:11

Scientist think they have an answer for everything, know the answer to nothing (it is all theory and may be proved false in the future), and are too busy to admit this

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asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:11

i didn't bother to check the link, but not sure that a comic will provide proof of your argument

theLuckyDragon · Unread postby **theLuckyDragon** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:15

I'd say the tree falling in the woods thing is a problem of semantics (as always...

). There most definitely is a sound wave, but there's no sound sensation.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:16

Mytical wrote:Scientist think they have an answer for everything, know the answer to nothing (it is all theory and may be proved false in the future), and are too busy to admit this .

Scientists actually have a question for everything and answer to nothing

stefan.urlus wrote:i didn't bother to check the link, but not sure that a comic will provide proof of your argument

It isnt supposed to give any proof,its just supposed to be a comedic relief.

As for a proof,there is no need for it.Unless you can prove that every single tree in the universe makes a sound when it falls in some atmosphere,there is a chance that one wont.What is true for one,or even many things isnt automatically true for all things

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:17

well it does make a Noise, a noise doesn't actually require anyone or anything to hear it to exist - it is a thing in and of itself

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:20

This argument has went on for thousands of years, do you really think you 2 are going to settle it here?

This is one of the oldest arguments along with which came first the chicken or the egg. Simple way to test it now though. Place a recorder by a tree that is about to fall, replace tape regularly, see what happens

. Therefore, will see if it makes a sound. Some might not though, if it falls slowly over time and lands on soft something or other. *shrug*

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:22

you are right that we are not gonna solve it, but even a soft landing or a slow fall will make a noise, it's like noise that are outside of human hearing, but a dog can hear .... just cause we can't hear it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

theLuckyDragon · Unread postby **theLuckyDragon** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:22

As I said on the previous page and no one seems to have noticed:

I'd say the tree falling in the woods thing is a problem of semantics (as always... ). There most definitely is a sound wave, but there's no sound sensation.

Mytical, if you record it, you record the sound wave and when you listen to it, you'll hear it then, not at the moment when the tree fell.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 27 Sep 2006, 07:23

Mytical wrote:This argument has went on for thousands of years, do you really think you 2 are going to settle it here? This is one of the oldest arguments along with which came first the chicken or the egg.

The egg,because genetical mutations are the strongest in the fetal state

Mytical wrote: Simple way to test it now though. Place a recorder by a tree that is about to fall, replace tape regularly, see what happens . Therefore, will see if it makes a sound. Some might not though, if it falls slowly over time and lands on soft something or other. *shrug*

But that is observing the event.Not directly,but still observing it.Actually the question if the event is taking a place without anyone observing it will never be answered because humans will never be able to observe an event without actually observing it

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 28 Sep 2006, 07:12

Ive been thinking:What are the specs of human brain?Our GPU must be very advanced to process so much information so quickly.And our RAM is trully astounding as well.Not to mention the enourmous size of our long term memory.At this rate,computers will need more than 100 years to reach the human brain(and this rate cannot continue because of the space limitations).

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 28 Sep 2006, 07:16

Yes, computers will have a LONG way to go before coming close to humans. Maybe more then 100years. Even at current rate of growth. Simply because the human brain is so complex that even neurosurgeons don't understand all of it. So how are 'programmers' and computer builders supposed to? Since they can not copy what they do not understand it will be impossible till every fascit of the human mind is understood. I don't know if that will ever happen.

Pol · Unread postby **Pol** » 28 Sep 2006, 07:23

Ive been thinking:What are the specs of human brain?

Sorry chap, different technology here, cannot be compared

Seriously even drosophilas are wiser than newest Pentium Dual Core when rightly used, which is the right word, all ability is measured to purpose.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 28 Sep 2006, 07:39

Mytical wrote:Yes, computers will have a LONG way to go before coming close to humans. Maybe more then 100years. Even at current rate of growth. Simply because the human brain is so complex that even neurosurgeons don't understand all of it. So how are 'programmers' and computer builders supposed to? Since they can not copy what they do not understand it will be impossible till every fascit of the human mind is understood. I don't know if that will ever happen.

You dont have to understand something to use it.People used fire long before they found out how it is working.Smiting was used long before metals were understood.Surgery came long before human body has been understood.

Pol wrote:Ive been thinking:What are the specs of human brain?

Sorry chap, different technology here, cannot be compared

Seriously even drosophilas are wiser than newest Pentium Dual Core when rightly used, which is the right word, all ability is measured to purpose.

Well,we are on the verge of biologycal and quantum computers(give those two some 50 years),so then the technologies might be compared.

Pol · Unread postby **Pol** » 28 Sep 2006, 07:56

I noticed when it started, so...

"If the tree falls in the woods,with no one around to hear it,does it make a sound?"

Yes.
Reason: For sound is not important if you hear it, actually for the sound you are not important at all. The hearing it (or not), is just your problem.

And what comes next.. ahh.

"This is one of the oldest arguments along with which came first the chicken or the egg."

Another funny one.
Can be both.
Reason: Here is none but the fact the the question is a silly gimmick(like the previous one). Here is one good rule for such similar questions: Find the correct question and you will have the answer. Always. (First part much harder than second)

@DL
..comparing is not necessary. Here is essential end of my reply, --> to purpose.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 28 Sep 2006, 08:01

Pol wrote:I noticed when it started, so...

"If the tree falls in the woods,with no one around to hear it,does it make a sound?"

Yes.
Reason: For sound is not important if you hear it, actually for the sound you are not important at all. The hearing it (or not), is just your problem.

Then you dont understand the core of the question.

Pol wrote: And what comes next.. ahh.

"This is one of the oldest arguments along with which came first the chicken or the egg."

Another funny one.
Can be both.
Reason: Here is none but the fact the the question is a silly gimmick(like the previous one). Here is one good rule for such similar questions: Find the correct question and you will have the answer. Always. (First part much harder than second)

Ah,the 42 answer.Or better known as "I have no clue,but Ill pretend like I do but that you are too stupid to understand it" answer

Pol wrote: @DL
..comparing is not necessary. Here is essential end of my reply, --> to purpose.

You really are hard to understand sometimes.I have no idea what you mean with this one.

Pol · Unread postby **Pol** » 28 Sep 2006, 08:05

That's actually meant that you are not understand the cores of the answers and therefore you are having problems with replies. And here is no (quick) help. Peace to your soul.

Edit much much later in my innerspace:
Are you happy with such reply? Just for illustration is exactly the same sort of the ones which you gave on my owns. And so, demon, you are vulnerable to art of mischeivous questions. You have weak point, you have weak point

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 28 Sep 2006, 08:08

Pol wrote:Peace to your soul.

Sorry,dont have that

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 28 Sep 2006, 08:09

Hehe DL I think you are comical

, Pol I believe is sticking his tongue out at you and giving you what is commonly called a rasberry. There are a lot of ways of thinking about this. Can a computer mimic a human if the hardware/software is not even close to such. Possibly, but it would be a lot harder, and would only be mimicry. To truely get artificial intelligence the computer would have to be both hardwired and have complimentary software that is equal to what humans have. Otherwise it is just a parrot that has a wide vocabulary (a much larger ones then some humans). There maybe a time in 50 years that computers will Mimic humans but not even close to being as adaptable as a human. That is why I don't fear the robot taking over humanity thing. Something like Data from Star Trek will not be even close to being possible for hundreds and hundreds of years if ever. So, bring on the Machines..I need somebody to clean my house anyhow.

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