Massive changes in resource demands! Different game now!

[Cyrox]

Doesn't change the fact that that was funny. As for going overboard, that not my post.

Lol funny. It wasnt ThunderTitan who wrote that, but Plemenit . ThunderTitan merely quoted Plemenit. Lolz.

[ThunderTitan]

Lol funny. It wasnt ThunderTitan who wrote that, but Plemenit . ThunderTitan merely quoted Plemenit. Lolz.

And JJ quoted his own answers from that thread.

I like what Nival does with the game and I see that they are working on it.

Obviously you don't know what "working" means out east.

[Naskoni]

I think the Jelly man was too pissed off to pay attention who posted it originally and sure he didn't say the game was perfect, he only reiterated how there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, AI, factions, balance, you name it... so much different if you ask me

Then again he is so happy with everything Nival does (obviously) you cannot possibly expect him to tell you anything else. I guess all of us that critisize them in any way (as no way of critisizing them is acceptable or good enough for him) are wrong and definitely too stupid to see (his) light!

[Mytical]

Ok, enough on poor JJ. Just because he likes it is not wrong. Each person has there own taste. Lets please get back to the topic at hand so this one doesn't get the axe as well. The resource change I personally don't like, though i agree that a change had to be made. To me they just made the wrong changes. Rare resources need scaled back as well as what was scaled back. Up (by a little but not to original levels) the rest of the resources so that everything is down a little bit . If they do this for all the towns would not be changing balance now would it?

[ThunderTitan]

Changing Jelly back to Jolly must have confused him... Hey ppl, take a wild guess who Naskoni is!

Ok, enough on poor JJ. Just because he likes it is not wrong.

He also get a paycheck from Ubi. Kinda makes you think.

[Jolly Joker]

You know what's wrong with some people here and on the other board as well? The attitude. This, maaaaan, they are so inept and making so many things wrong, every idiot could make it a lot better.
Now, I see what Nival does - a very good game which they are still working on to make it better - but what I don't see is that ANY of you more rabid Nival haters there could make ANYTHING better - except of course with their tongues. Reiterating the same silly stuff doesn't help either as doesn't dropping in an idea or two AFTER bashing them senseless: if any of the louder Nival-sucks-game-dead people does make some suggestion, why should anyone listen? For all people know they couldn't care less about anything -and they don't believe that Nival can change anything at all, so why bother?
Now, are people get paid to bash the game and the developers and producers? This seems to be as likely as the other way round, so you can start thinking abou who gets paychecks from whom. I certainly don't get anything from Nival and Ubi doesn't pay me for anything else than making sure that the translation of the game will be okay.

Now let's go back to H IV: did it make sense as someone who liked the game to discuss the shortcomings with someone who didn't like it? No, because sooner or later everything came back to the fact that "but in the end the game will still suck, no matter what, because of". It made sense only to discuss it with someone who liked the game, really had an interest in making it better and trusting NWC to get the job done.
Eventually Equilibris came.
What's true for H IV is true for H V as well.
Basically it makes no sense for someone who likes the game to discuss it with someone who does not and vice versa.

And this here: "Obviously you don't know what "working" means out east", is crap of the silliest sort; it's the same as saying obviously you don't know what thinking means under blond hair.

[Naskoni]

Changing Jelly back to Jolly must have confused him... Hey ppl, take a wild guess who Naskoni is!

Ok, enough on poor JJ. Just because he likes it is not wrong.

He also get a paycheck from Ubi. Kinda makes you think.

Nah, I'm just myself, although I do share the views of certain... other people I love Chuckles too. Viva la Pimp club!

[ThunderTitan]

Now, I see what Nival does - a very good game which they are still working on to make it better - but what I don't see is that ANY of you more rabid Nival haters there could make ANYTHING better - except of course with their tongues.

If i can't shit it doesn't mean i din't know how crap looks like. If only the guys making games could critic the others we'd be getting even more crappy games.

You know what's wrong with some people here and on the other board as well? The attitude. This, maaaaan, they are so inept and making so many things wrong, every idiot could make it a lot better.

Same thing can be said for ppl that go "the game is so great, and the things that need fixing are ignorable".

And this here: "Obviously you don't know what "working" means out east", is crap of the silliest sort; it's the same as saying obviously you don't know what thinking means under blond hair.

Yep, mentality in no way differs by region and upbringing. Former communist states and the western world have everything in common. The differences are just like hair color.

[Jolly Joker]

Why would you want to discuss "crap"?
For the rest, attitude! You can critisize as much as you like, but not in the devaluating way you do. You pay not the least bit of respect to the people who created something, how can expect respect for your way of critisizing their work? Especially the way you do.

[ThunderTitan]

Why would you want to discuss "crap"?

Some ppl just can't stand seeing other praise "crap". There's also a thing called "artistic licence" most of you seem to be oblivious about.

For the rest, attitude! You can critisize as much as you like, but not in the devaluating way you do. You pay not the least bit of respect to the people who created something, how can expect respect for your way of critisizing their work? Especially the way you do.

Respect is something thats earned. As for criticism, as i recall in the beggining most ppl were "give them a chance, it's not easy" etc... not my fault that changed.

[MistWeaver]

You know what's wrong with some people here and on the other board as well? The attitude. This, maaaaan, they are so inept and making so many things wrong, every idiot could make it a lot better.
Now, I see what Nival does - a very good game which they are still working on to make it better - but what I don't see is that ANY of you more rabid Nival haters there could make ANYTHING better - except of course with their tongues.

Hey people ! Someone heard that H5 is a free game ? Developed just to entertain people and nothing more ?
No ? Strange .. 'couse JJ think it is. And therefore he doesnt seem to understand why we have right to blame it (moreover not without a reason)
Ill tell you why,JJ. Becouse we paid $$ for this "game". And do you know what we saw ? No AI, no balance, no working multiplayer, stupid plot, few maps, unjustified sys req. And do you realy think we just need to say - "well, I could not do better myself anyway.. so ok nival keep working"

Speaking of every idiot that could make it a lot better - just one example. I suppose you didnt played russian version. Its a pity, 'couse it shows nival attitude to their game in best way. The russian version 1.0 was translated so awful that I was just shocked. It seamed that nival hired some boy from the very depth of Africa to make translation.
I can assure you - there no translation office in whole past USSR area that could to this translation worse than that.

[Alamar]

This post is about resource changes (as odd as that may seem)

In spite of all the changes most factions (on heroic difficulty) are playing in a fairly similar manner to how they played before the changes in the first couple of weeks.

Haven & Sylvan look to have the most creatures buildings built followed by Necro, Inferno, and Dungeon. In my play testing so far the only faction that gets hosed early is Academy with only having L1-L3 built in the first 2 weeks because resource costs are getting in the way.

Of course I would imagine that the majority of the changes will show their heads in weeks 3-5. Even so I am worried that Academy is really getting the dirty end of the stick on heroic difficulty ....

[Jolly Joker]

Did you play the demo? If not, why not? That's what demos are for. Now compare that demo (who suffered under the missions being picked as well as under some bugs) with the game we have now.
If you bought the game after that demo, why do you complain now?
If not, why didn't you play the demo?
You know, if you buy something, but you don't like that something later on, that doesn't give you the right to offend the makers. No one forced you to buy.
Of course you can make your complains heard.
But it doesn't make much sense offending each and everyone, claiming developers to be inapt and idiots and then expect said idiots to make things better.
For translation, I don't think Nival has anything to do with it. That's Ubi. I had a chance to take a look behind the curtains of localizations and the bad localization is no Russian phenomenon. Only a handful of games really get good translations - which is easily explained.
1) The translators in general haven't got much of an idea of the game they translate.
2) The translators have a VERY limited amount of time to do their work. This leads to game translations being made by teams of many translators to be able to get it done.
This isn't good for the quality of the translation.
For H V, if you are not satisfied with the Russian translation, ask the Spanish people; here the translation was cancelled after it was already done and given to another guy knowing the game. The result was, that the Spanish version was a mix of the crappy first try and part of the corrections that had been done until publishing.

[Alamar]

I guess my not-so-subtle attempt to get the thread back on topic has failed

[Mytical]

Same here so don't feel bad, washing my hands of the thread and walking away from it. *sighs*, on the bright side though it will be fun to watch until the mods get rid of yet another thread.

[DaemianLucifer]

Now, I see what Nival does - a very good game which they are still working on to make it better

Cant you see that that is exactly the biggest problem?!They are still working on it.It is being sold already,and they are still working on it?!!!

"Hey,wheres my hamburger?I paid for it an hour ago?!";"Im sorry sir,were still working on it,but heres your bread.Salad will come soon too."

- but what I don't see is that ANY of you more rabid Nival haters there could make ANYTHING better - except of course with their tongues.

I just made a paper plane,whanna see?It works perfectly.It can fly for over 5 seconds.Its perfect!It just needs a bit tweaking,and it will be even more perfect.Ill try tearing its wings first,and see how that works out.

Now, are people get paid to bash the game and the developers and producers? This seems to be as likely as the other way round, so you can start thinking abou who gets paychecks from whom. I certainly don't get anything from Nival and Ubi doesn't pay me for anything else than making sure that the translation of the game will be okay.

Ok,this made no sense at all.But Ill try not to laugh.Paid to bash a game by who?And it seems as likely as people actually working for ubival payed to praise it?

Now let's go back to H IV: did it make sense as someone who liked the game to discuss the shortcomings with someone who didn't like it? No, because sooner or later everything came back to the fact that "but in the end the game will still suck, no matter what, because of". It made sense only to discuss it with someone who liked the game, really had an interest in making it better and trusting NWC to get the job done.
Eventually Equilibris came.
What's true for H IV is true for H V as well.
Basically it makes no sense for someone who likes the game to discuss it with someone who does not and vice versa.

Ummm...There is a big,huge,enourmous difference between someone that doesnt like the game and someone that bashes the game.My nephew though HIV was awful,and that HIII is the only one worth playing.That didnt stop me from giving him the arguments about why HIV is good.And whats the situation now?He loves HIV.So maybe instead of calling everyone thats not pleased with HV a basher,you could try giving them good solid arguments about why it is a good game.I saw you do that once or twice,but that becomes more rare every day.

And this here: "Obviously you don't know what "working" means out east", is crap of the silliest sort; it's the same as saying obviously you don't know what thinking means under blond hair.

Oh please!That is just like saying :you obviously dont know what thinking under blond hair means" to a blond!

[Naskoni]

Did you play the demo? If not, why not? That's what demos are for. Now compare that demo (who suffered under the missions being picked as well as under some bugs) with the game we have now.
If you bought the game after that demo, why do you complain now?
If not, why didn't you play the demo?
You know, if you buy something, but you don't like that something later on, that doesn't give you the right to offend the makers. No one forced you to buy.
Of course you can make your complains heard.
But it doesn't make much sense offending each and everyone, claiming developers to be inapt and idiots and then expect said idiots to make things better.
For translation, I don't think Nival has anything to do with it. That's Ubi. I had a chance to take a look behind the curtains of localizations and the bad localization is no Russian phenomenon. Only a handful of games really get good translations - which is easily explained.
1) The translators in general haven't got much of an idea of the game they translate.
2) The translators have a VERY limited amount of time to do their work. This leads to game translations being made by teams of many translators to be able to get it done.
This isn't good for the quality of the translation.
For H V, if you are not satisfied with the Russian translation, ask the Spanish people; here the translation was cancelled after it was already done and given to another guy knowing the game. The result was, that the Spanish version was a mix of the crappy first try and part of the corrections that had been done until publishing.

Oh, Jelly man,

The demo now? The demo was half-baked and showed so little of the game it was hardly a showcase of what's to come. There were tons of promises made, not without yours and Chuckles' help too, and you can hardly blame fans buying based on those promises. Or maybe you recommended for people to abstain from buying it for you to blame them now for doing so?

In addition a demo can hardly show you how a company will proceed with patching the known problems, or how they will screw up, lie or blatantly spit in your face regarding problems of different nature. So much for respect of both UBI and Nival as both have f***ed up quite nicely in plenty of regards up to now.

In regards to respect - you speak as if they have made a free mod and released to the public as a gift, which is hardly the case. The customer's respect and gratitude is primarily his/her money and so far they haven't even managed to deliver what was supposed to be in the original package, and there are still plenty of bugs there, not to mention seemingly frantic attempts to "fix" the balance. Whenever a company starts doing such drastic changes (as you put it yourself - it is a different game now) it simply means their original course was so wrong they didn't see any hope of simply tweaking it. Such drastic changes usually lead to other of the sort and things do downhil from there - from one extreme to the other until everybody gets so pissed the game dies.

As for lack of creativity on their behalf - why was the Dendroid changes, huh? Was it because they blatantly copied somebody else's work even though they are so creative and such? And being creative they gave us the turbo-boosted TreeAnt instead - a unit so befitting the Dendroid background in any possible way... I can go on in this regard quite a bit as well if you want me to.

As for your crap about translation - what exactly did Nival translate here exactly? They obviously don't know English and to the best of my knowledge they are not profficient in anything but Russian anyway, so it is pretty safe to assume their working version of the game is in Russian too, no? Then it seems just in their style they translated badly into (English maybe) and then back, even more badly, back into Russian, which would make perfect sense to me seeing as how they work.

In addition the fact that they had to re-write from scratch the MP code simply means that it was beyond salvation, i.e. written so badly even they couldn't fix it - does that speak of incompetence to you as strongly as it does to me? Maybe writing the code was UBI's fault, eh? Nival was ordered by them to write it in such a pathetic fashion?

People are starting to get disallusioned here, they want what they paid for and no pimping effort from the pimp club will help that sort of disaster management on behalf of either UBI/Nival in the long run. The more desperate your pimping efforts become the more obvious it becomes to everybody reading your "arguments"...

Oh, and I really liked:

"I certainly don't get anything from Nival and Ubi doesn't pay me for anything else than making sure that the translation of the game will be okay."

So you didn't get anything from them but you did get paid after all... and of course you are anything but biased and absolutely objective, right? I guess I will go overboard and say that since you are on the pay you are sort of their (part-time, although full time when it comes to forums) employee, no? Sheesh...

[ThunderTitan]

Now, are people get paid to bash the game and the developers and producers? This seems to be as likely as the other way round, so you can start thinking abou who gets paychecks from whom.

Yeah, bashing the game will really help all those other Hereos-like TBS out there, like .... yeah, i got nothing. Maybe when Disciples 3 comes out... buy this game, it's going to be great even if i have no ideea how exactly it plays and they've taken out 2 of the 5 races and changed the artist

I certainly don't get anything from Nival and Ubi doesn't pay me for anything else than making sure that the translation of the game will be okay.

All i said is that you get payed by Ubi. Never said it was to pimp the game.



And the last thing the game needed is an increase in rare resources requirements. The gold reduction sounds good.

[Jolly Joker]

Whatever.
More luck with Disciples 3 for you.

[ThunderTitan]

More luck with Disciples 3 for you.