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Unread postby juventas » 12 Jul 2006, 22:28

Alright, DL, sorry about that.

But we'll just have to agree to disagree, ThunderTitan. I think you are making morale too specific, and you think I'm making it too general. I think morale encompasses much more than effects on the body while you are considering only that. I'd be happy to debate some more with PMs, but other than that, I guess I'll drop it.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 12 Jul 2006, 22:44

Overall morale is how your mental state affects your performance. Cold logic shouldn't affect performance, but actions (you use it to determine whether or not you take this action or that one).


Casters: this isn't D&D, you don't have mages doing complicated movements and using expensive ingredients. Casting is about the same as a melee strike, you just use mana instead of muscles. They also aim mentaly, no LoS required.

Shooters can't use their bows/etc. when they're engaged because they have to wind it up/charge it/load it etc., and there are this guys next to them that are blocking the view anyway.

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Oh, and DL, why does the link in your first post point to a puzzle made out of completly unrelated pictures?
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Unread postby asandir » 12 Jul 2006, 22:58

are some people confusing a game with real life??

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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 Jul 2006, 23:10

ThunderTitan wrote: Oh, and DL, why does the link in your first post point to a puzzle made out of completly unrelated pictures?
Copy/pasting accident :devil:

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jul 2006, 00:29

stefan.urlus wrote:are some people confusing a game with real life??
Only way to make arguments last forever... :devil:

DL wrote:Copy/pasting accident
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retorical question, you spammer.
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Unread postby asandir » 13 Jul 2006, 10:12

ah yes, that old chestnut

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Unread postby Alamar » 13 Jul 2006, 13:16

The casting in melee issue doesn't seem as bad to me as the fact that "confusion" doesn't do anything to a caster unit.

The confusion spell is so powerful that units can forget to shoot and even retaliate but somehow the caster units can remember enough to cast a spell.

Somehow I think that's a little screwy.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jul 2006, 13:23

Alamar wrote: The confusion spell is so powerful that units can forget to shoot and even retaliate but somehow the caster units can remember enough to cast a spell.
Which supports my claim that casting is instinctual, and doesn't require much thought.

Still, gameplay wise Confusion should affect casting.
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Unread postby Alamar » 13 Jul 2006, 13:28

ThunderTitan wrote:
Alamar wrote: The confusion spell is so powerful that units can forget to shoot and even retaliate but somehow the caster units can remember enough to cast a spell.
Which supports my claim that casting is instinctual, and doesn't require much thought.

Still, gameplay wise Confusion should affect casting.
It is difficult to argue with your logic [casting is instinctual] if you assume that confusion works as intended for a reason.

For Titans that sort of casting seems somehow reasonable. For other creatures like ArchMages I don't know if I really like it.

I agree though that it would be NICE if confusion effected the casting process also.

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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 13 Jul 2006, 13:34

And indeed it should always affect it,not just with one hero.

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Unread postby juventas » 13 Jul 2006, 13:48

Alamar wrote:It is difficult to argue with your logic [casting is instinctual] if you assume that confusion works as intended for a reason.

For Titans that sort of casting seems somehow reasonable. For other creatures like ArchMages I don't know if I really like it.

I agree though that it would be NICE if confusion effected the casting process also.
I agree as well. Confusion should affect spellcasting, especially for magi, whose casting is clearly not instinctual.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Jul 2006, 14:49

juventas wrote: especially for magi, whose casting is clearly not instinctual.
Please, that papyrus is there only for show. Makes them look more intelectual.
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