You know, even if I love the series, I don't believe that everyone that has played it becomes an instant fanDaemianLucifer wrote:Ok,bad analogy.But still,you can add those results that are default later.And if not the fans of the series,who are you going to ask then?People that never heard of it?
. And I have no direct need of better figures- all I'm saying that the results of that poll should be taken with large amounts of salt...
If someone played,lets say HII and didnt like it do you think hell buy HIII?Its only the fans that tried at least two sequels that can be asked which one they liked more.Gaidal Cain wrote:You know, even if I love the series, I don't believe that everyone that has played it becomes an instant fan
You know, there's a difference between "liking" and "being a fan of". I like the civilization games, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. Liking a game doesn't autmatically mean you go to a forum about it to discuss it- something which many fans tends to do.DaemianLucifer wrote: If someone played,lets say HII and didnt like it do you think hell buy HIII?Its only the fans that tried at least two sequels that can be asked which one they liked more.
I was a fan of heroes long before I came to this forum.Gaidal Cain wrote:You know, there's a difference between "liking" and "being a fan of". I like the civilization games, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. Liking a game doesn't autmatically mean you go to a forum about it to discuss it- something which many fans tends to do.
And? The point I was trying to make was that just because someone likes a series enough to buy several games from it, it doesn't make him a fan. Here's the first sentence of Wikipedia's entrance on fans:DaemianLucifer wrote: I was a fan of heroes long before I came to this forum.
The word fan refers to someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking of a person, group of persons, work of art, idea, or trend.
Nope, but if you only ask fans about something relating to the object of their liking, you're very likely to get a different result than if you ask both fans and other people with a more tempered interest in the same thing.And being a fan makes your oppinion not worthy,right?So there isnt a single heroes fan that hates HIV?
I don't necessarily agree. The fact that DaemianLucifer feels so strongly about this game and subject that he not only posts but defends his opinion time after time, definitely makes him a fan.And? The point I was trying to make was that just because someone likes a series enough to buy several games from it, it doesn't make him a fan. Here's the first sentence of Wikipedia's entrance on fans:
The word fan refers to someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking of a person, group of persons, work of art, idea, or trend.
Now if I were a game developer, who would I approach if i wanted to make improvements on my product? Someone with a tempered interest?Nope, but if you only ask fans about something relating to the object of their liking, you're very likely to get a different result than if you ask both fans and other people with a more tempered interest in the same thing.
I've never doubted whether Daemian is a fan, but what I'm saying that being a follower of a series isn't the same as being a fan. As for a strict definition, that's something that's very tricky, but fans would tend to do more than just play the game - create maps, discuss the games on forums, etc.Babri wrote:I don't necessarily agree. The fact that DaemianLucifer feels so strongly about this game and subject that he not only posts but defends his opinion time after time, definitely makes him a fan.
Of course someone who continues to buy the game with every new edition can be considered a fan. What else would you call it? How would you contextually define a fan? I certainly don't have the moolah to buy games just because they're new. There's a driving force there.
Yes, because they're probably the majority of your players. You'd want fans as well though, because they often have moreintimate knowledge of how the game works.Now if I were a game developer, who would I approach if i wanted to make improvements on my product? Someone with a tempered interest?
Then I must not be a fan! I am severely disappointed.I've never doubted whether Daemian is a fan, but what I'm saying that being a follower of a series isn't the same as being a fan. As for a strict definition, that's something that's very tricky, but fans would tend to do more than just play the game - create maps, discuss the games on forums, etc.
I've played all the campaigns twice, I've bought all the expansions (save for the ones sent to me from overseas by friends because I couldn't buy them in my own country and my incessant begging was driving them nuts), I've introduced others to the game because I love it so much, I'm counting the days 'til H5's release (despite all the negative comments I've heard)...YET I've never designed a map and I'm new to this forum. Woe is me. There I was, thinking that the purpose of a game is mainly to be played and enjoyed. My sense of logic must be severely warped, because only someone who has played the game extensively would be able to give decent feedback regarding improvements and flaws. Someone who only plays occaisionally would probably not even know the difference, especially if they haven't followed the series.Yes, because they're probably the majority of your players. You'd want fans as well though, because they often have moreintimate knowledge of how the game works.
You missunderstood Gaidal Cain.By his definition you are a fan because you did more then just playing:You brought new players to the series,and you did your best to get your hands on every part of the game.A non fan wouldnt do that.Babri wrote: Then I must not be a fan! I am severely disappointed.
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