Might and Magic 6, 7, 8 merge based on mm8 engine. [upd. 05.11.2023]

[Roxterat]

Sidenote: I think, that's missing tooltip info:

Druids are not listed in either of the tooltips, although both stat changes affect their spell points maximum (Intellect is more effective than Personality, question mark?). Neither are Paladins/Monks, although those need to be promoted before they can cast spells, so that's okay.

That's the original desc from MM8. Only those mana using chars mentined are possible classes in vanilla version.
That desc sure can use an update, or it can be edited in EnglishT.lod file using MMArchive..

[pheYonyx]

Also, i wonder, can i use GrayFace's mouselook stuff on Merge and, if i can, at what stage of game installation it should've been applied to?..
I would assume that regular patches are in as well, by default, considering how i can loot a chest multiple times in case of item generation overflow (that one particular chest in Barrow Downs of mm7 that always gets a ton of stuff put into it regardless of space).

Sidenote: got three more bugs.
1). A bunch of duped promoters on Dagger Wound Island (mm8 as a starter world) from Peasant class: 2 Knight promoters, 2 Druid and 2 Thief ones.
2). Master of the Sword, who meant to drop Plate armour from L6 item group, generated me a "relic" Axe.
3). In one of 7 restarts in mm8 i got a randomly generated PC in Training Center who was particularly glitchy. Level 1 Lich.

[cthscr]

Also, i wonder, can i use GrayFace's mouselook stuff on Merge and, if i can, at what stage of game installation it should've been applied to?..

Why not? After installation. Do not overwrite mm8.ini, just change option values. Though I've seen troubles with spell interaction (for example, Town Portal has automatically chosen its destination).

1). A bunch of duped promoters on Dagger Wound Island (mm8 as a starter world) from Peasant class: 2 Knight promoters, 2 Druid and 2 Thief ones.
2). Master of the Sword, who meant to drop Plate armour from L6 item group, generated me a "relic" Axe.
3). In one of 7 restarts in mm8 i got a randomly generated PC in Training Center who was particularly glitchy. Level 1 Lich.

1) Classes are determined by skill. See Scripts/Global/PromotionTopics.lua closer to the end of file.
2) Artifacts and Relics are L6 there (see rnditems.txt from EnglishT.lod)...
3) I suspect he was not a Lich but Undead Sorcerer. NPCMercenaries.lua ignores continent/race restrictions.

[Phobos]

Golden Pyramid traders in Dragonsand can accidentally give you relics and artifacts. When trading accessories, it seems that you can gain almost any relic (even weapons and armour - I got Cronos, Amuck, Serendine's Preservation and Ares, for example). There might be a flag set wrong somewhere. I wonder if this can happen when making items out of stalt-laced ore too?

[pheYonyx]

2). Master of the Sword, who meant to drop Plate armour from L6 item group, generated me a "relic" Axe.

2) Artifacts and Relics are L6 there (see rnditems.txt from EnglishT.lod)...

I am aware. It's just wrong item class. If i got a relic Plate armour, it would be fine. But a relic Axe, from an enemy that normally only drops Plate armour... Actually, it even was a mm8 item which showed up as "...and an item (Axe)".

3). In one of 7 restarts in mm8 i got a randomly generated PC in Training Center who was particularly glitchy. Level 1 Lich.

3) I suspect he was not a Lich but Undead Sorcerer. NPCMercenaries.lua ignores continent/race restrictions.

Yeah, undead Sorcerer with no model paper doll and no avatar prior to hiring. Elf avatar post-hiring. Voice was certainly not elven.

Also, for some reason, he was generated with Dagger and Staff skills but no Staff or Dagger in starter equipment. Had a Club and a Mace instead.

[cthscr]

Yeah, undead Sorcerer with no model paper doll and no avatar prior to hiring. Elf avatar post-hiring. Voice was certainly not elven.

Is pre-hire savegame available?

[cthscr]

I wonder if this can happen when making items out of stalt-laced ore too?

AFAIK, yes: https://gitlab.com/templayer/mmmerge/-/issues/109

[pheYonyx]

Is pre-hire savegame available?

If this — https://www.dropbox.com/s/fj0mkhq8ia3yg ... 8.dod?dl=0 is how it's done, then yes.

[cthscr]

That's Minotaur Lich with Face=69 (icon files starts with "LMin"). Shown properly in my installation (with 'rodril-fixes' on top). Check your Data/icons.lod, Data/patch.icons.lod, 'Data/Tables/Character portraits.txt'.

[pheYonyx]

That's Minotaur Lich with Face=69 (icon files starts with "LMin"). Shown properly in my installation (with 'rodril-fixes' on top). Check your Data/icons.lod, Data/patch.icons.lod, 'Data/Tables/Character portraits.txt'.

How would i do that?
I don't understand anything code-related, might need a step by step for dummies.

P.S. Nice.

[Daedros]

Yeah, if you would play MM8 world, you could savescum so many easy artifacts. Tree chest in Ravenshore. Chest behind Ogre Fortress in Alvar. Stone chest next to cyclops chest in Ironsand. 2-3 chests in dragon cave in Ironsand. Chest in tunnel under lava (heavily trapped). Its not a bad thing to give one easy artifact in MM7 world.

Yep, i used to save scum the Tree Chest in Ravenshore until it'd drop the Noblebone Bow. That bow made dealing with groups of enemies a lot easier. Especially if i made a beeline for Cauri Blackthorne to use that bow. Could then raid the Garrote Gorge Dragon Caves and strafe the dragonbreath while using the Noblebone Bow and Ithilgore's attack to stunlock the melee Dragons. Could then save scum the corpses and walk out of the Dragon Caves decked out in artifacts while still a low level.

[raekuul]

and it's shenanigans like that what makes including equipment value in the party average power for purposes of Bolster a thing.

[Roxterat]

Hey peeps!
I got an issue, I've let my character learn any skill and now, well, the UI for skills and skill point distribution is too small.
I mean, I seem to be able to enhance any Weapon, Armor and Misc skill, but Magic skills got somehow cut (I can't see Light, Vampire etc., only first 7 on the list).
Any way I can access those? The UI somehow doesn't seem to let the list expand for Magic skills..
Thanks!

[Roxterat]

A pic of it, my char also knows Light and Vampire ability..

[rampage77t]

A pic of it, my char also knows Light and Vampire ability..

Now that I see that image, how do I change the hud of the game? By default it is mm8 but when I want to change it, the game closes, or I need to have the original mm6 and mm7 to be able to change it?

[Roxterat]

Now that I see that image, how do I change the hud of the game? By default it is mm8 but when I want to change it, the game closes, or I need to have the original mm6 and mm7 to be able to change it?

In MMMerge you go to Options. In Video you can set the UI, can be like MM6, MM7 or MM8 or Continent Depending. I've also made a few changes in gamefiles for my convenience, just such with MMArchive anyone can do for themselves..
I still found a lot of features in UI not really grown to it's potential, but that's really a minor issure right now in this phase of making..

EDIT: Oh and if the game crashes once you change your UI, it might be because of the mm8.ini setting, I got the UILayout disabled so it works like this.

[Roxterat]

This happens with terrain on MM7 maps, under certain view degree certain parts of ground are transparent.

[Roxterat]

Oh yeah, MM6 mps too..

[Roxterat]

A test walk through my New Sorpigal with extra added units.
Can you find them all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOprSIJ05OU

[Roxterat]

To devs:
What NPC number should I use when I create a monster and I want it to say "Dont cause any trouble!" as a guard?