Might and Magic 6, 7, 8 merge based on mm8 engine. [upd. 05.11.2023]

[Jamesx]

Why don't you team up with Jamesx? He made most of the paperdoll repaints, but doesn't feel like making the Minotaur Lich due to not thinking he would make the head proper (if I remember correctly). If you team up with him, I am sure he will have no problems converting your Lich Minotaur final work into something that would work in-game!

My thoughts exactly. I only hope Jamesx knows how to work GIMP. ^^;

Hi)) your pm is blocked somehow
Well, I don't use Gimp at all, but if you draw the heads in gimp and export them as png, I can put them to in-game portraits)
I though maybe you need original minotaur heads? I extract them all
here

[SpectralDragon]

I did de-Skyrimize the Dracolich and Might and Magicified him as well.




A step-by step process walkthrough has been sent to Jamesx. I think it now looks much more like a MM character. Jamesx did a good job on the eyes, so I will leave that part to him. He does have whole portrait animations for the dracolich as well, so he has to apply it to all of them.

If you zoom in / out enough for it to be as big as it would be in-game, then I am pretty much happy with my result (except for the eyes that I didn't do, of course)

Also still no front-legs, but...

Maybe we can say that front legs were lost during the process?

[GrayFace]

My take on Food and Gold icons for MM6 and MM7 skins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r701g14wemh3 ... G.bmp?dl=0

Vinevi, I remember you've shown in-progress screenshots of MM6 skin with round selection around player portraits. I've started experimenting with interface. Could you PM me up-to-date working versions of skins?

Secret dungeon with all the people who have contributed to the Merge
Templayer » May 27 2019, 16:07
Since we have the Credits Tracker now and we know pretty much everyone who has ever contributed something to this project, maybe it is time to make a Merge secret dungeon. The individual contributors should preferably be programmer art. (and Rodril, of course, should be a Crashing Flying Cacti on a throne of some weird material, with GrayFace being a MM6-style 2D NPC on the ceiling). And perhaps do something nice for the various types of contributions (like Bug Catchers should get their own personal thing, a special place if you will)

Sounds cool! I'd suggest a small dungeon that isn't very close to the end of the game and some stuff in it with some monsters as well. Basically, fun to play through, not just observe.

[DaveHer]

I have made Echo's Monstrosity compatible with Rodril's MM678 merge. Not all the textures were changed by Echo to make his mod. So I converted only those that were change. I converted the textures so that they would use existing palettes in the merge. This trick was accomplished with Corel Draw. No new palettes had to be created (which is good). At first I was going to create new palettes (using photo shop) for these textures, but the palettes created with photo shop did not work. I had to come up with some other way. All Monsters, textures, and icons are there except three things. They are as follows: I was unable to convert (using the same procedure) the textures for the crystal thing in the center of Ravenshore nor create a palette for them. So no change for the crystal. The water texture were converted they are in the Bitmap.lod file but they do not work. It probable has some to do with the merge (Rodril could probable help with that). I like the water effect in the Monstrosity. One more thing there is a texture missing in Shadowspire near the docks. I could probable fix that if I could get the merge to run in window mod so I can use the editor. I tried all kinds of setting nothing worked. The link to the Monstrosity compatible to the merge is at the bottom of all my posts.

[Crusader_bin]

You can use dgvoodoo to easily run the game in window mode http://dege.freeweb.hu/
That's basically how I stumbled on this great merge project, there was a tut for merge on dgvoodoo somewhere, when I searched for best ways to improve M&M VI

[DaveHer]

You can use dgvoodoo to easily run the game in window mode http://dege.freeweb.hu/
That's basically how I stumbled on this great merge project, there was a tut for merge on dgvoodoo somewhere, when I searched for best ways to improve M&M VI

I have dgvodoo settings in window mode and it did not work. I disabled dgvodoo and in the launcher clicked for window mode and it did not work Thanks any way. David

[Templayer]

My take on Food and Gold icons for MM6 and MM7 skins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r701g14wemh3 ... G.bmp?dl=0

Vinevi, I remember you've shown in-progress screenshots of MM6 skin with round selection around player portraits. I've started experimenting with interface. Could you PM me up-to-date working versions of skins?

Secret dungeon with all the people who have contributed to the Merge
Templayer » May 27 2019, 16:07
Since we have the Credits Tracker now and we know pretty much everyone who has ever contributed something to this project, maybe it is time to make a Merge secret dungeon. The individual contributors should preferably be programmer art. (and Rodril, of course, should be a Crashing Flying Cacti on a throne of some weird material, with GrayFace being a MM6-style 2D NPC on the ceiling). And perhaps do something nice for the various types of contributions (like Bug Catchers should get their own personal thing, a special place if you will)

Sounds cool! I'd suggest a small dungeon that isn't very close to the end of the game and some stuff in it with some monsters as well. Basically, fun to play through, not just observe.

You mean like the Bug Catchers fighting a bunch of actual bugs? As enemies?
Added to the original suggestion.

You can use dgvoodoo to easily run the game in window mode http://dege.freeweb.hu/
That's basically how I stumbled on this great merge project, there was a tut for merge on dgvoodoo somewhere, when I searched for best ways to improve M&M VI

I have dgvodoo settings in window mode and it did not work. I disabled dgvodoo and in the launcher clicked for window mode and it did not work Thanks any way. David

What about doing it the correct way and setting it using GrayFace's patch? My example - in the ini I have:
WindowWidth=-1
WindowHeight=1050
BorderlessFullscreen=1
Which will create a borderless window that is 1050 pixels in height and whatever amount of pixels in width to maintain aspect ratio and not stretch stuff.

[Chokk]

Hello everyone,

First of all I will make it short, but deep : "Wohaa!" and "Thank you". It is really an amazing work and I really enjoy it so far.

I had some issues during the installation that I wanted to share if any new contender comes and faces the same, because I didn't find the solution anywhere :
During my first try, the quests weren't working and some houses were all shuffled.
My problem was that my MM8 GOG game was in French. I had to turn it in English then copy the Merge files, and eventually apply de location files (I give up on that because the quest item names are all shuffles in French, I'll try to help on that if I manage to understand how to do so).

And some few bugs on my bug tracker so far :

######### MAJOR BUG ############################
- Sometimes when I get inside a house, I crash with the following console :
Seems to happen only in teachers house, and maybe only after I just train levels and spend skill points.

Code: Select all

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307: attempt to index a nil value

stack traceback:
	... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307: in function <... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307>
	[C]: in function 'pcall'
	Scripts/Core/Common.lua:102: in function 'pcall2'
	Scripts/Core/RSMem.lua:1653: in function <Scripts/Core/RSMem.lua:1650>

arguments of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	d = (table: 0x1dcd7ac0)

local variables of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	(*temporary) = nil
	(*temporary) = 4918987
	(*temporary) = "attempt to index a nil value"

upvalues of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	TeacherTopics = (table: 0x05526050)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

######### MINOR BUG #############################
- In the temple of the Snake, missing texture in x-1155;y1408, it blocks the way but you can finish the dungeon with the secret passage behind the gold dragon.
- Talking to Obelisk (at least in Sorpigal Volcano) opens a dialog with a guard. I get the hint nevertheless.
- Gatekeeper NPC doesn't work, the spell is not cast when asked. Maybe it is intended.
- You can only save/reload for one shop per region to get the spell/item you want. It seems that they are somehow all linked now and when the rolling is made for one shop, it's made for every shop in the region.

######### CAN WE REALLY CALL IT A BUG ? #########
- Everyone in Enroth keeps talking about a spell called Dark Emprisonment. Sounds great but I can't get it
- Master Water dialog in Enroth says I will be able to use Lloyd' Reacon. Lier ! I have to be Grand Master !

Now I go off grid for a month but I can't wait to resume my adventure.
Congrats to Rodril and the contributors.

PS : Lich dragon ? Really ? What a weird thing

[justl]

hi,

the bow itself does what the description says, but i also saw that it throws the enemys back (like force from thor-artifact)

cant remember if it was like that in the original mm-game - anyone knows btw?

thx
justl

[GrayFace]

I have dgvodoo settings in window mode and it did not work. I disabled dgvodoo and in the launcher clicked for window mode and it did not work Thanks any way. David

Did you try F4 in the game?
dgVoodoo is bypassed by the patch unless SupportTrueColor is set to 0, because dgVoodoo just slows things down when my patch does the HD mode.

You mean like the Bug Catchers fighting a bunch of actual bugs? As enemies?

No, I'm imagining an unusually-looking mini-dungeon, maybe from parallel dimension. At first I thought by Bug Catchers you meant us and I like us being props around the dungeon rather than friendly creatures.

Which will create a borderless window that is 1050 pixels in height and whatever amount of pixels in width to maintain aspect ratio and not stretch stuff.

Borderless occupies whole screen. WindowHeight only effects simple windowed mode.

- Talking to Obelisk (at least in Sorpigal Volcano) opens a dialog with a guard. I get the hint nevertheless.

Fixed in the upcoming patch version.

[SpectralDragon]

Hi)) your pm is blocked somehow
Well, I don't use Gimp at all, but if you draw the heads in gimp and export them as png, I can put them to in-game portraits)
I though maybe you need original minotaur heads? I extract them all
here

@Jamesx
Well, fudge. I honestly thought it'd work, but well, I'm still new, thus I really dunno how to work most of the website. Sorry for the hassle ...
... and thank you for the heads, since I needed them bloody.

My idea for Minotaur Liches has been drawn here, just so you can see how I envisioned it.
https://sta.sh/023y098nonhj

[SpectralDragon]

My take on Food and Gold icons for MM6 and MM7 skins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r701g14wemh3 ... G.bmp?dl=0

Vinevi, I remember you've shown in-progress screenshots of MM6 skin with round selection around player portraits. I've started experimenting with interface. Could you PM me up-to-date working versions of skins?

Sounds cool! I'd suggest a small dungeon that isn't very close to the end of the game and some stuff in it with some monsters as well. Basically, fun to play through, not just observe.

Hey, glad to see that you're still active here, since your stock/core game patches of MM6, MM7, and MM8 had basically became essential there. That aside, is there any possibility to import any missing/dummied out features in the stock/core MM8 as well like the entire Dragon biting and clawing thing?

Thank you and yes, looking forward to core/stock MM8 Character Selector Unlocker, since I kind of don't wish to use MM8che to play a Dragon in fear of breaking the save or the game.

[GrayFace]

That aside, is there any possibility to import any missing/dummied out features in the stock/core MM8 as well like the entire Dragon biting and clawing thing?

Yes, if it gets implemented in the Merge, the script can be extracted and used with the original with MMExt.

Thank you and yes, looking forward to core/stock MM8 Character Selector Unlocker, since I kind of don't wish to use MM8che to play a Dragon in fear of breaking the save or the game.

Yes, it's been needing a fixed release for a very long time.

[SpectralDragon]

Yes, if it gets implemented in the Merge, the script can be extracted and used with the original with MMExt.

Yes, it's been needing a fixed release for a very long time.

Awesome, hopefully it does get implemented, since well, it shooting fire all the time does get old rather quickly (not to even mention that little critters like Bestial Animalists cannot get hit by said thing from close quarters. Actually tested that many times. )

Very much, as when I checked it, MM8che is being really old as well.^^;

[Templayer]

My idea for Minotaur Liches has been drawn here, just so you can see how I envisioned it.
https://sta.sh/023y098nonhj

Reposted so that people here can see it. That portrait is absolutely awesome.

[Templayer]

Yes, if it gets implemented in the Merge, the script can be extracted and used with the original with MMExt.

Yes, it's been needing a fixed release for a very long time.

Awesome, hopefully it does get implemented, since well, it shooting while breathing fire all the time does get old rather quickly (not to even mention that little critters like Bestial Animalists cannot get hit by said thing from close quarters. Actually tested that many times. )

Very much, as when I checked it, MM8che is being really old as well.^^;

Dragon melee is already implemented in the Merge, isn't it? With portrait animations and sounds? I remember discussing it with Rodril when the override of all attacks for the breath weapon was removed. (or only applied to a ranged attack, as it should be in vanilla but isn't...)

[Templayer]

hi,

the bow itself does what the description says, but i also saw that it throws the enemys back (like force from thor-artifact)
*picture*
cant remember if it was like that in the original mm-game - anyone knows btw?

thx
justl

It wasn't. Rodril added that. Perhaps it should be mentioned in the description.

[SpectralDragon]

Dragon melee is already implemented in the Merge, isn't it? With portrait animations and sounds? I remember discussing it with Rodril when the override of all attacks for the breath weapon was removed. (or only applied to a ranged attack, as it should be in vanilla but isn't...)

Should be by now by what you say, problem is find where the script for it is and implementing it into core/stock MM8 via MM8Ext, so that it's active in stock/core game of MM8 as well. Grayface knows more about it than I do, same with Rodril. ^^;

[Templayer]

Hello everyone,

First of all I will make it short, but deep : "Wohaa!" and "Thank you". It is really an amazing work and I really enjoy it so far.

I had some issues during the installation that I wanted to share if any new contender comes and faces the same, because I didn't find the solution anywhere :
During my first try, the quests weren't working and some houses were all shuffled.
My problem was that my MM8 GOG game was in French. I had to turn it in English then copy the Merge files, and eventually apply de location files (I give up on that because the quest item names are all shuffles in French, I'll try to help on that if I manage to understand how to do so).

And some few bugs on my bug tracker so far :

######### MAJOR BUG ############################
- Sometimes when I get inside a house, I crash with the following console :
Seems to happen only in teachers house, and maybe only after I just train levels and spend skill points.

Code: Select all

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307: attempt to index a nil value

stack traceback:
	... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307: in function <... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307>
	[C]: in function 'pcall'
	Scripts/Core/Common.lua:102: in function 'pcall2'
	Scripts/Core/RSMem.lua:1653: in function <Scripts/Core/RSMem.lua:1650>

arguments of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	d = (table: 0x1dcd7ac0)

local variables of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	(*temporary) = nil
	(*temporary) = 4918987
	(*temporary) = "attempt to index a nil value"

upvalues of '... Magic 8\Scripts\Structs\After\RemoveNPCTablesLimits.lua:307':
	TeacherTopics = (table: 0x05526050)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

######### MINOR BUG #############################
- In the temple of the Snake, missing texture in x-1155;y1408, it blocks the way but you can finish the dungeon with the secret passage behind the gold dragon.
- Talking to Obelisk (at least in Sorpigal Volcano) opens a dialog with a guard. I get the hint nevertheless.
- Gatekeeper NPC doesn't work, the spell is not cast when asked. Maybe it is intended.
- You can only save/reload for one shop per region to get the spell/item you want. It seems that they are somehow all linked now and when the rolling is made for one shop, it's made for every shop in the region.

######### CAN WE REALLY CALL IT A BUG ? #########
- Everyone in Enroth keeps talking about a spell called Dark Emprisonment. Sounds great but I can't get it
- Master Water dialog in Enroth says I will be able to use Lloyd' Reacon. Lier ! I have to be Grand Master !

Now I go off grid for a month but I can't wait to resume my adventure.
Congrats to Rodril and the contributors.

PS : Lich dragon ? Really ? What a weird thing

Added to the Bug Tracker.
Dark Imprisonment might be eventually implemented, there is quite a few spells missing from MM6+7 (half of them useful, half of them could be possibly thrown away). Monsters that used Finger of Death are pushovers now.
The shop thing is probably not a bug, Rodril redefined how shop inventory is generated.

Check the official Tracker for the merge, there is A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.

About the Lich Dragon - with the Character Creation Unlocker and Racial Skills Modification (check the tracker) you can make any combination of race and class on any continent. That means that you can create a Dragon Necromancer or Dragon Sorcerer. Which means upon Lich promotion, you got yourself a Dragon Lich, but without a proper sprite.
An oversight exists in vanilla MM7 where you can make a Dwarf Lich, but since no Dwarf Lich sprites exist, they gain height.
There are currently two people working on a Dragon Lich sprites, portrait animations included (excluding me) and one person is working on a Minotaur Lich. Dwarf Lich has already been created by Jamesx to fix that vanilla oversight.

Anyway, a Dragon Lich is only something that you will get if you explicitly want to have it (without the unlocker and specifically choosing to do so, you won't ever see it. This is for people that really like diversity in their games, which does include mine. I love making insane combinations! I mean I could play as a party of 5 identical human knights each using the same equipment, but... I choose the other extreme of that!).

zombification implemented. Variations of zombie - not and i would not do it as it was not present in original MM7. Also i don't remember any drako-lich from MM lore, though it more depends on existance of such portraits for game engine. I would use it for zombie form of dragon.

&@All
I really love that I was told that nobody would be interested in for example various additional Lich variations (and zombie ones, and vampire ones,...) by Rodril, and yet now we have whole thread pages filled with people that are interested in it and aren't me!

[SpectralDragon]

Anyway, a Dragon Lich is only something that you will get if you explicitly want to have it (without the unlocker and specifically choosing to do so, you won't ever see it. This is for people that really like diversity in their games, which does include mine. I love making insane combinations! I mean I could play as a party of 5 identical human knights each using the same equipment, but... I choose the other extreme of that!).

&@All
I really love that I was told that nobody would be interested in for example various additional Lich variations (and zombie ones, and vampire ones,...) by Rodril, and yet now we have whole thread pages filled with people that are interested in it and aren't me!

Like me and hey, since MM games are based on Wizardry games and these being based on D&D games, which has skeletal Minotaurs and Dracoliches, then why the hell not (even if back then, beings like Dragotha were called 'Undead Dragon' instead. ). Heck, such combinations would make single-class parties even more insane, since well, at least we won't be stuck having people Liches all the time, ha ha ha ha ha!! Gotta have some diversity, even if it might not be seen at all in 'usual' game, heck one of my ideas when I was little was a monster sprite for a Dragon that is basically Gold Dragon, but it's having orange belly and a wing membrane ... and would act as a questgiver as well as being able to be chatted with like you'd chat with a Peasant unless you attack it ... in MM6.