GrayFace MM8 Patch v2.5.7 [Mar 4, 2022]

[GrayFace]

What I'm getting at is that if I'm dual-wielding Snake in the Troll's left hand, my damage should increase by Snake's damage (3d4+12), as it does in the instances where this mechanic works properly. Instead, as I raise the Mace skill, the damage benefit from Snake is getting slowly negated. It should stay consistent, regardless of my Mace skill.

That's a quirk of MM mechanics, not a bug. Basically, only one weapon skill is used in all calculations and for damage/attack it's the 2nd weapon skill. For recovery time it's the one of slower weapon. Strange mechanic, but it can be more interesting than 2nd weapon always being beneficial.

[Xfing]

What I'm getting at is that if I'm dual-wielding Snake in the Troll's left hand, my damage should increase by Snake's damage (3d4+12), as it does in the instances where this mechanic works properly. Instead, as I raise the Mace skill, the damage benefit from Snake is getting slowly negated. It should stay consistent, regardless of my Mace skill.

That's a quirk of MM mechanics, not a bug. Basically, only one weapon skill is used in all calculations and for damage/attack it's the 2nd weapon skill. For recovery time it's the one of slower weapon. Strange mechanic, but it can be more interesting than 2nd weapon always being beneficial.

I suppose so, but then again, dunno - what's the point of the Troll having Master in Sword if he can't synergize between it and the mace at all?

[Mortis]

What I'm getting at is that if I'm dual-wielding Snake in the Troll's left hand, my damage should increase by Snake's damage (3d4+12), as it does in the instances where this mechanic works properly. Instead, as I raise the Mace skill, the damage benefit from Snake is getting slowly negated. It should stay consistent, regardless of my Mace skill.

That's a quirk of MM mechanics, not a bug. Basically, only one weapon skill is used in all calculations and for damage/attack it's the 2nd weapon skill. For recovery time it's the one of slower weapon. Strange mechanic, but it can be more interesting than 2nd weapon always being beneficial.

I suppose so, but then again, dunno - what's the point of the Troll having Master in Sword if he can't synergize between it and the mace at all?

For sword enchantments like vampirism, additional elemental (common swords) or light/dark (glomenthal/elsenrail) damages or special effects like your Snake slow . In addition I think that trolls after vampires are only reasonable class for wielding Hades sword in left hand due to his effect of Negative regeneration.

[Allester]

Hey GrayFace! Long time

So I used your new updates, and then tried to run M&M8... only for my buttons to no longer work with the mouse AT ALL.

WINDOWED MODE
mm8.ini
[settings]
WIDTH: 1024
HEIGHT: 728

This is my screen settings, but now it seems like the new patch has forced the buttons BACK to their 640x480 positions and becomes unclickable... as well as now I can't click on my normal monitor without it 'clicking' other open apps. Could you look in to this please? It's making the game 100% unplayable in windowed mode and I need to see my twitch chat to keep in touch with my viewers while streaming, LOL! xP

FIXED: Noticed that I need to edit the "WINDOWIDTH=" part and remove "WIDTH" "HEIGHT" from settings!

[Rodril]

Hello. I have issue with new patch, but can not find it's reasons at the moment.
There is conditional jump at 0x47f0cd ("ja 0x47f707"), at some moment during map loading it changes to straight jump out of mm8.exe (jmp 0xXXXXXXX), according to stack, patch does this. Problem appears when patch changes jump into it's original form: it does not clear "nop" left after previous change, - "ja" require 6 bytes and in fact it is "ja 0x634", with uncleared nop at 6th byte of command it becomes "ja 0x90000634", what leads to game crash if jump is taken.
I could not reproduce this issue in original mm8 (first change has not happened), in mm678 I've added crutch at the moment. I wonder what happens there, could it be issue in patch or is it my mistake somewhere?

[GrayFace]

Thanks, it's my bug, here's the fix: https://github.com/GrayFace/MMExtension ... 6fe1032b79

[NotABroom]

Is there a way to change the resolution of the game? I did not find an entry in the ini. If not, can I alternatively make the game fill the entire screen by stretching it?

Edit: To be precise, I am trying to get rid of the black bars on the sides of my screen. Is that possible? I should also mention that I am using DgVoodoo.

[EstelRandir]

On Win10, If you use both the GrayFace mod & the high res mod - there are major issues with the camera spinning while mouselook is enabled. I have "fixes". But the fixes involve the mouse being halfway unbound from the fullscreen boudaries on the bottom & right. I can live with that, but it is a bit annoying.

Is there anyway to make these two mods fully compatable for Win10?

[Rodril]

I think you don't need high res mod for 2.1 version of patch. Just edit fields in mm8.ini:
WindowWidth=-1
WindowHeight=720
BorderlessFullscreen=1
Press "f4" to switch to fullscreen.

[EstelRandir]

I think you don't need high res mod for 2.1 version of patch. Just edit fields in mm8.ini:
WindowWidth=-1
WindowHeight=720
BorderlessFullscreen=1
Press "f4" to switch to fullscreen.

I am not sure what the WindowHeight is supposed to do, but I cannot tell any difference between the default 2.1 patch and these values. The high res mod has a quite nice effect without having to upgrade all the game texture files. I think it is the best we will get until someone does an HD remake, if ever.

[GrayFace]

Version 2.2
<< MM6 - MM8 >>
[+] Quick load key now works during the death movie.
[+] Game window is resizeable.
[+] StretchWidth and StretchHeight parameters specify the factors by which the game area gets stretched to reduce black bars on the sides. StretchWidthFull and StretchHeightFull parameters are used only if it makes the game occupy the whole screen.
[+] Now in Software rendering mode the view is always scaled linearly, which makes it less flickery.
[+] Data\MouseLookCursorHD.bmp is used for mouse look in 32-bit color mode if window is bigger than 640x480.
[+] Customizable mouse cursors: Data\MouseCursorArrow.cur and Data\MouseCursorTarget.cur are used if present.
[+] Patch now bypasses dgVoodoo DLLs if SupportTrueColor is not disabled.
[+] Minimaps zoom level is remembered always, not just outdoors as before.
[-] Fixed a crash found in Tatalia in MM7.
[-] Inactive characters couldn't interact with chests.
[-] Animated textures (via TFT) were animated incorrectly: first frame was longer, last frame was shorter.
[-] My bug: ScalingParam2 was read from ScalingParam1 entry.
[-] My bug: Mouse placed in the bottom-right corner was causing a crash sometimes.
[*] Smarter FixInactivePlayersActing: now you can select inactive characters, but they can't act.
<< MM7, MM8 >>
[+] Accurate sprites coordinates in D3D mode.
[+] Pixel-perfect mouse targeting in HD mode.
[+] Set TurnBasedWalkDelay to a value of your choice (e.g. 100) to be able to do individual steps in the walking phase of turn-based combat.
[+] Better water animation.
[+] MipmapsBase section in the INI controls how many mipmip levels matching textures can use. Smaller values lead to more mipmaps.
[+] Separate HDWTRCountHWL, HDWTRDelayHWL options for the NoD3DBitmapHwl=0 case.
[+] Hidden FixMonsterSummon option (1 - enabled by default).
[-] Some small cosmetic bugs fixed by changing pictures from icons.lod.
[-] Combination of IsWater and AnimateTFT facet attributes was causing texture change in D3D.
[-] Fixed a rare crash caused by a facet without a single vertex.
[-] My bug: Sparks effect was displayed incorrectly in the previous version.
<< MM8 >>
[+] "FixQuickSpell" hidden option you can set to 0 if you want to use the bug.
[-] In Software rendering mode water shore is no longer bumpy. Set NoWaterShoreBumpsSW=0 to disable this.
[-] Mass Distortion and Implosion spells wasted monsters' turn, but didn't work. Now they aren't used.
[-] 8 leftmost pixels of paper doll area didn't react to clicks.
[-] Monsters/items/effects weren't visible on the sides of the view outdoors.
[-] Party wasn't centered on the minimap.
<< Fixes in maps >>
[-] Castle of Air (d27) - 100k experience was given upon exiting the Plane of Air after getting the Heart of Air, so using Town Portal could lead to it getting skipping.
[-] Castle of Fire (d29) - same as above.
[-] Alvar (out03) - upon entering the Ogre Raiding Fort the party was facing in a wrong direction.
[-] Dagger Wound Islands (out01) - upon entering the Uplifted Library the party was facing in a wrong direction.

[Xfing]

Ok, how do you enable a fully stretched view? StretchWidthFull and StretchHeightFull don't seem to be working for me.

[GrayFace]

Ok, how do you enable a fully stretched view? StretchWidthFull and StretchHeightFull don't seem to be working for me.

They should. Set them to 2 for example.

[Novi]

Hello,

just like in the mm7 patch thread, I'd like to post a couple bugs I noticed.

First was in a quest log right at the beginning of the game. I took all the quests on dagger wound, the log showed them correctly, but when I went through the abandoned temple and finished it, I opened up the list and noticed that some quests disappeared from the log. One reappeared after I clicked on another tab and back, next reappeared after I turned another quest in. The quests functioned as normal, just the log didn't display things correctly it seems.

Another minor visual bug I found is that hovering over certain spells in the spell book doesn't light them up (works on some, doesn't on others, playing in borderless window at 1080p btw).

[Xfing]

Ok, how do you enable a fully stretched view? StretchWidthFull and StretchHeightFull don't seem to be working for me.

They should. Set them to 2 for example.

Ok, will do!

BTW, a question just to you - since you are following the Merge topic: are you taking note of bugs reported there which were an issue with the core game and could be fixed just for the standalone games? There are certain such bugs reported in the merge thread every now and then instead of here, just because of how popular the Merge has gotten.

Another question: You've removed the spells that aren't working from the elementals (Imposion, Mass Distortion). Do you think it's even possible to fix the base game's code so that spells like this (hitscan, single target) could be made to work? The behemoth lookalikes in the Plane Between Planes also carry Paralyze, which likewise makes them waste a turn without working (unless you've already fixed it, just forgot to mention it in the patch notes). If this spell worked, to say it would be a big deal in terms of difficulty would be an understatement. The party would have to come prepared with "immune to paralysis" gear, otherwise they could get incapacitated in mid-flight in a few seconds if not invisible. I might have asked you that question before and you opted to remove the spells altogether, but obviously the desired long-term solution would be to get them to work somehow, if possible.

[GrayFace]

BTW, a question just to you - since you are following the Merge topic: are you taking note of bugs reported there which were an issue with the core game and could be fixed just for the standalone games? There are certain such bugs reported in the merge thread every now and then instead of here, just because of how popular the Merge has gotten.

No, I don't follow it, I only visit it occasionally.

Another question: You've removed the spells that aren't working from the elementals (Imposion, Mass Distortion). Do you think it's even possible to fix the base game's code so that spells like this (hitscan, single target) could be made to work? The behemoth lookalikes in the Plane Between Planes also carry Paralyze, which likewise makes them waste a turn without working (unless you've already fixed it, just forgot to mention it in the patch notes). If this spell worked, to say it would be a big deal in terms of difficulty would be an understatement. The party would have to come prepared with "immune to paralysis" gear, otherwise they could get incapacitated in mid-flight in a few seconds if not invisible. I might have asked you that question before and you opted to remove the spells altogether, but obviously the desired long-term solution would be to get them to work somehow, if possible.

Paralyze was disabled in the previous version, then people told me about other non-functioning spells. Do you remember blue balls Empress Medusas throw at you in MM6? That shows how Paralyze spell is supposed to look. Whether it should work as a proper spell on impact is unknown - that is, the spell you cast is temporary unlike the Paralyzed condition. So yes, in MM6 these balls don't do anything either, but they look cool, so I ruled against messing with them
A proper fix is only a question of effort vs benefit, that is, technically entirely possible.

[Xfing]

Paralyze was disabled in the previous version, then people told me about other non-functioning spells. Do you remember blue balls Empress Medusas throw at you in MM6? That shows how Paralyze spell is supposed to look. Whether it should work as a proper spell on impact is unknown - that is, the spell you cast is temporary unlike the Paralyzed condition. So yes, in MM6 these balls don't do anything either, but they look cool, so I ruled against messing with them
A proper fix is only a question of effort vs benefit, that is, technically entirely possible.

Well, I don't remember if Paralyze was a castable spell by the party in MM6, but in MM7 and 8 it was instantly hitting, with no projectiles. So I presume the same was programmed for the plane guardians, that's why it's not working.

[GrayFace]

So I presume the same was programmed for the plane guardians, that's why it's not working.

No, they're not working in MM6 either. How they wanted to implement them is unknown, but only projectiles similar to MM6 would make sense. As for Implosion and Mass Distortion, these may be implemented almost without projectiles - that is, they still must not shoot through walls, so maybe a super fast invisible projectile would be the right call.

[Novi]

So I presume the same was programmed for the plane guardians, that's why it's not working.

No, they're not working in MM6 either. How they wanted to implement them is unknown, but only projectiles similar to MM6 would make sense. As for Implosion and Mass Distortion, these may be implemented almost without projectiles - that is, they still must not shoot through walls, so maybe a super fast invisible projectile would be the right call.

Shouldn't they work like Medusa stone in MM7? A chance of applying the status on hit?

[GrayFace]

Shouldn't they work like Medusa stone in MM7? A chance of applying the status on hit?

There's a Paralyze 'Bonus' and it works perfectly fine. However, Plane Guardians have Paralyze set as a spell.