Heroes 4 Advanced Options Map Editor

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Hi Baronus

What do you mean by a "special brush" for underground? Do you mean different colors for the terrain types?

[Baronus]

There is soecial underground terrain:
http://www.gameexpres.cz/products/ostat ... gic4/2.jpg
Mooshroms, rocks. Special brush is needed... But lava water should bee too.

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Ohh, so you mean like the H4 editor brushes, but make a brush specifically for underground terrain and objects? When I get a bit further with the H4MG (Heroes 4 Map Generator), I can start looking at H4 editor brushes to figure out the format so that we can use and create brushes in the H4 editor and H4MG.

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Update: I have implemented painting different terrain types, as well as changing the brush size. I still have a little work to do with getting the brush size exact, since I'm currently using the diagonal of the grid square, rather than the side, when calculating the pixel length. I also need to rotate the drawn square (if a square is the shape being used) so that it matches the grid direction.

Painting with a large brush on an XL map:



Painting with a ludicrous brush on an XL map:



The resulting minimap in the H4 editor:



I think next I'm going to update the painting methods to handle shapes (just square and circle for now). Then I think I'll get on figuring out the boundary codes so that painting terrain can look "right."

After that, I think I'll work on showing adventure objects that contain events.

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Finished updating the paint methods so that they will accept shapes. I can now paint circles and squares. I've also implemented the ability to remove void terrain, fixed several small bugs, and made some other updates to emulate the way things work in the actual editor.

I briefly started looking at terrain boundary codes, but their meanings are still beyond me. I'll just have to keep looking at them until I can figure them out >.<!

[Baronus]

Good results!
What about copy selected area? And paste in another map? Friendly selector will be usefull...

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

A selection tool with various options is definitely on my list of things to implement

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Update: I'm now able to show all of the adventure objects which have events. So far I have also emulated the "Army Properties" options you get when selecting an army in the editor. I still need to figure out what kind of information should actually be displayed in the tables, so feedback is appreciated. Clearly "Army" isn't exactly useful when you have many on the map, and it took me some time to find the one I was looking for. Maybe under the "Name" column (the column name can change) I should list the name of the first creature stack or hero (whichever comes first)? Under "Type" I can probably shorten it to just the important part of the object's name.



The screen shot below shows that you will be able to right click and edit any particular object (currently only works for Army objects).



Still missing a few fields on the emulated Army Properties panel, but I'll get them filled in eventually The number after "Male" corresponds to the Hero's class, which I haven't documented quite yet.



And you can check out the events for army objects (can't copy or anything yet).



I decided I didn't want to keep breaking my head against terrain boundary codes (at least for now) so I moved on to getting this done I'll work on the "Hero Properties" panel next, and then look at enabling changes to the armies and heroes

At some point I'll work on displaying the actual scripts (emulating the editor unless someone else has a better idea of how to show them).

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Speaking of the terrain boundary codes, if anyone is interested in helping me figure those out, please let me know. If you create an empty map, I can point you to where the terrain codes start and show you in the documentation what each of the bytes means.

I've started seeing some small patterns in the boundary codes, but nothing conclusive yet.

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Created a bare bones hero editing panel with just the events tab set up. So, from the Army properties panel, you can edit a hero in the army as you would in the actual editor like so:



Then the Hero Properties frame shows up (after I took the screen shots, I realized I forgot to add the "Ok" and "Cancel" buttons) and I navigate to the events tab (the other tabs are currently empty).



Now I can switch between event types as I can in the editor, and switch to triggerable events.



I realize you can do this stuff in the editor, but next I'm going to add the ability to copy and paste events between objects (starting with armies and heroes). Once that is done, that means I will have a way coded to add scripts to armies and heroes (besides reading them in from the map file), which will allow us to easily add the AI enhancing scripts. I guess that means I'll need to work on the ability to save and load events as well

[Baronus]

Advanced options. It will be helpfull for all mapmakers...

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

I've now successfully copied events between heroes. Haven't set up copying scripts between armies, but it's going to be exactly the same thing. I'll look at copying scripts between armies and heroes. I wonder how hard the game - or editor - would crash if I put a change_owner script directly on a hero?

Anyway. With the H4MG, I open up the "Army Properties" dialogue for two of my heroes (Lolindir left, and Tarnum right), then open up the respective "Hero Properties" dialogues. Next I select some of Tarnum's scripts, right click, and select "Copy."



Then I move to Lolindir's window, right click, and select paste.



And the scripts are now on my Lolindir hero.



"Ok" out of the dialogues, then file -> save the map and open it in the H4 editor. I open up the events on my Lolindir hero, and voila:



I think I'm probably going to add the hero's name to the title of the "Hero Properties" frame since we can have multiple open at once. Will probably get annoying pretty quick trying to find the right window

[Karmakeld]

That would be a good idea . The easier it is to keep track of what you're doing the better - this should make it easier for beginners to navigate Have you thought about adding a minor tutorial, or at least some file including it's list of options/what the program can do and maybe how to? To some degree this tread IS already a tutorial, but still..

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

I'll probably need to come up with some way of naming the frame title for "Army Properties" as well. Maybe something similar to what I suggested earlier for the table where all you see is "Army" for the type.

As far as a tutorial, at the very least I plan to add a "Help" menu with some thorough explanations of the help topics (which will consist of the various features). I'd like to also do a small write up of the various features available, and maybe even do a video to sort of showcase the important features

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

Well, unfortunately placing a change owner script directly on a hero doesn't seem to do anything. I tried to call it from a timed event and nothing happened. Both the game and editor are able to open a file with this in place without crashing (in the editor if you look at the script, the script name is blank), but it doesn't really matter since it doesn't work.

[Karmakeld]

So no hope of adding the change owner script to carry over heroes then?

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

I haven't tried it on a carryover hero yet, but it very likely will just do the same thing (nothing)

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

So I did a quick test of what I would need to zip up to distribute this projects for others to have a look at, and I think I could actually send out what I have to anyone who would like to give this a look

Still not quite ready to offer officially, as there are a lot of things that are incomplete, but are still represented (buttons which don't yet do anything). Maybe once we move to beta

I still want to test on my gf's laptop, but I'm pretty confident it will work.

As a word of warning, this software will probably only work for English versions of maps. I convert some Strings to lowercase without using the "Locale" version of the method (since I'm not really familiar with how that works), which will probably be a problem for maps in other languages. At some point I may try testing some H4 maps which are in different languages, but no guarantees that I'll be able to make it work.

[iLiVeInAbOx05]

I've decided to start work on event groups, but I'm not sure how I should go about saving / loading / creating event groups. My first thought was to add a menu called "Tools" to the main menu bar, and then add the necessary menus under "Event Groups" there. Now I'm thinking that maybe it would be better if I added a tab under the "Events" tab for the event group stuff in order to keep everything similar in the same place.

Putting it under the events tab would probably be good because then I already have display space for it, rather than popping up a new window with the options that the user would continually have to click multiple times to see.

Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback?

[Karmakeld]

Not sure what you define as event groups, also have you looked into copying/moving part of a map to another map/place on the map?
But in general I think options/layout that reduce amounts of needed clicks would be preferable