Do You Steam?

[berntie]

So how about you - do you Steam at all?

I've never used Steam and I never will.

[klaymen]

GOG is the way to go, but I heard they may be going away.

That's bull.

On topic: I use Steam, but after their Euro scam I purchase very rarely from them. Even their 75% discounts mean nothing for me, unless I really want that game.

[jeff]

That's bull.

Which part are you referring to, and it was on topic.

[klaymen]

Look at the bold part of the quote.

[Kalah]

Are you talking about their shifting focus?

[klaymen]

Are you talking about their shifting focus?

If he was talking about this, then he is quite a bit late, because that change has happened a few months ago. That's why I did not take it into consideration.

[jeff]

Look at the bold part of the quote.

No, the bolded part referred to the fact I thought I read GOG may be going out of business in another thread. Since I can't find it then I will assume my memory there was faulty. It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not.

[GreatEmerald]

> It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not.

By "On topic:" he meant that the part of his post below was on topic (as opposed to the other part concerning bulls).

[jeff]

> It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not.

By "On topic:" he meant that the part of his post below was on topic (as opposed to the other part concerning bulls).

Oh, so this has been a complete misunderstanding on my part. Well my bad and my apologies Klayman.

[klaymen]

No problem

[Avonu]

http://www.gamefront.com/steams-new-eul ... -lawsuits/


Just to remind you - EULA is "ink on a page" and game companies can put there anything, but it's local law which decides, what player can and what can't do against game publishers and their products.

[Kalah]

As we have seen here.

[hellegennes]

Actually, EULA is a contract and if it contains nothing that contradicts local laws, then it's valid. So, if there isn't anything illegal, according to local law, everything the EULA says is valid.



Don't forget that only a constitution contains passages that specifically lay down your rights. All other laws are made to clarify actions that are forbidden and the exceptions to those. And it's logical too. If something is not forbidden by law, then you are free to do it. Unless of course, you have signed a contract that forbids you to do it. And remember, EULA is a contract.

[Kalah]

But that's exactly the point here - the EULA is rendered invalid because of "local" (EU" law.

[hellegennes]

In this instance yes, but it's not true that generally EULAs don't matter. It's like every other contract: if it doesn't contradict any law, it's 100% binding. That's not something new. There is no legal contract that can ask you to break the law or forfeit your constitutional rights.

[Kalah]

Yes, but again, that's the point. There is no law that says you can re-sell downloaded products. That's why Oracle sued. They lost because the law doesn't need to specify; downloaded products are products like any other.



EULAs frequently ask users for things that are more stringent than Law. In this case, the EU said (for the first time in a court) that this is illegal. Obvious though it may seem, there are legal minutias that affect the outcome of a court case.

[klaymen]

Yes, but again, that's the point. There is no law that says you can re-sell downloaded products.

Well, not a law, but....

EULAs frequently ask users for things that are more stringent than Law. In this case, the EU said (for the first time in a court) that this is illegal. Obvious though it may seem, there are legal minutias that affect the outcome of a court case.

Not to mention that in some cases you cannot see the EULA contents before purchase (mainly retail distribution) and then it is practically rendered void.

[Variol]

I have never heard of Steam. Do you have to go to some website to see these specials? And, DRM is where you have to have an internet connection right?