Might & Magic X: Character Races?

[Torur]

DWARF!!!
You must always have a dwarf on your team or else your screwed. They are the most important characters to be able to play in any fantasy game.

Dwarves weren't playable in MM 6 and 8, and both these games are pretty damn good (well, except the former, which is not good, but excellent)

Indeed they were good, but you just always have the feeling that something is missing when you dont have a short tempered short mand with a long beard shouting and swinging a battleaxe. A must in all RPG's.

[hatsforclowns]

Deus Ex didn't have dwarves. Final Fantasy didn't have dwarves. Hellgate: London didn't have dwarves.

[Torur]

Deus Ex didn't have dwarves. Final Fantasy didn't have dwarves. Hellgate: London didn't have dwarves.

And what do you think was missing in all those games...?

Btw, RPG's in modern times don't count. We are talking medieval like fantasy/ sci-fi.

[Tress]

Deus Ex didn't have dwarves. Final Fantasy didn't have dwarves. Hellgate: London didn't have dwarves.

And what do you think was missing in all those games...?

Btw, RPG's in modern times don't count. We are talking medieval like fantasy/ sci-fi.

If we want to see fantasy RPG then Elder scroll series don't have dwarves, if we dont count dwemer which were sort of dwarves , but still they wernt playable.

[Corlagon]

Yes, I can't agree with you Torur, it's pretty inarguable that Dwarves are the most unnecessary race there is, because the bad smell of cliché clings to them like superglue. It's extraordinarily rare that anyone does anything different with them beyond the vertically-challenged, tunnel-dwelling, beer-swilling, beard-sporting Scotsmen they show up as 98% of the time.

[XEL II]

Yes, I can't agree with you Torur, it's pretty inarguable that Dwarves are the most unnecessary race there is, because the bad smell of cliché clings to them like superglue. It's extraordinarily rare that anyone does anything different with them beyond the vertically-challenged, tunnel-dwelling, beer-swilling, beard-sporting Scotsmen they show up as 98% of the time.

Crag Hack the Ultimate Adventurer highly disapproves

[GreatEmerald]

Yes, I can't agree with you Torur, it's pretty inarguable that Dwarves are the most unnecessary race there is, because the bad smell of cliché clings to them like superglue. It's extraordinarily rare that anyone does anything different with them beyond the vertically-challenged, tunnel-dwelling, beer-swilling, beard-sporting Scotsmen they show up as 98% of the time.

Hey, it's not their fault that Our Dwarves Are All The Same.

[Corlagon]

Jesus GreatEmerald, have mercy. You've contracted Slayer of Cliffracers' syndrome.

[XEL II]

Yes, I can't agree with you Torur, it's pretty inarguable that Dwarves are the most unnecessary race there is, because the bad smell of cliché clings to them like superglue. It's extraordinarily rare that anyone does anything different with them beyond the vertically-challenged, tunnel-dwelling, beer-swilling, beard-sporting Scotsmen they show up as 98% of the time.

Hey, it's not their fault that Our Dwarves Are All The Same.

Which really isn't exactly the case in Might and Magic. Terran dwarves are the prime example. Not to mention that there are a lot of male dwarves who are not only not bearded, but don't have significant facial hair at all

[MMXAlamar]

I've noticed that Genie hasn't received many votes. Are players uninterested for some reason, or do other character races just have more appeal?

[vladimir-maestro]

Didn't stop elves and dwarves from travelling together, or goblins and elves in MM7, or clerics and necromancers in MM8. Not to mention any other clases and/or species/subspecies in any of the MM games. If those can, then I'm pretty sure even angels and devils can suck it up and deal with their differences.

do not equalize mm and tolkien! elves and dwarves from mm are not enemies! they could leave peacefully. the same for goblins, btw in mm7 playable race is HALF-GOBLIN, not a pure goblin.

cleric and necromancer are enemies but light and darkness are only a lore - all magic could became danger and bring both war or peace - all this depends of the user and his will. + NWC couldn't find how to call this class with dark magic :-)

i case of deamons and angel - demons are always evil-kinded creatures, evilness are in their nature and they do not care about mortals. the same for the angel - honoric and proud angel won't fit in party of lowest life forms, mortal creatures. imho.

[Qurqirish Dragon]

Deus Ex didn't have dwarves. Final Fantasy didn't have dwarves. Hellgate: London didn't have dwarves.

Some Final Fantasy games do have dwarfs. Lalli-ho!
More recent FF games don't have any of the classic fantasy races (elves, orcs, etc.) I don't know about the online versions, however (11, 14).

[tolich]

angel - honoric and proud angel won't fit in party of lowest life forms, mortal creatures. imho.

Pride is a sin, my son. Go and sin no more.

[Panda Tar]

FF 11 and 14 neither, iirc.

[XEL II]

btw in mm7 playable race is HALF-GOBLIN, not a pure goblin.

Where did you get this from? The race is called "Goblin", without "half". There were playable Half-Orcs in MM 1-5, but in MM7 there are goblins in MM7. They're never called half-goblins and in complexion they look basically the same as goblin mobs and NPCs.

i case of deamons and angel - demons are always evil-kinded creatures, evilness are in their nature and they do not care about mortals.

There is at least one obviously demon trainer in MM5. Besides, if properly expained, demons and angels would fit perfectly as "special addition" PCs in the party through hireling system.

[hatsforclowns]

Deus Ex didn't have dwarves. Final Fantasy didn't have dwarves. Hellgate: London didn't have dwarves.

Some Final Fantasy games do have dwarfs. Lalli-ho!
More recent FF games don't have any of the classic fantasy races (elves, orcs, etc.) I don't know about the online versions, however (11, 14).

Oh, which one?

I stopped playing after FF9, IMHO the best of the series! After FF9 it just went downhill ... fast!

* FF9 -- the greatest
* FF7, 6, and 4 -- only very, very, very, very, very slightly below 9; these plus FF9 make for one hell of a series!
* FF8, and 3 -- sort of meh
* I haven't played FF2 and 1 yet

[hatsforclowns]

Didn't stop elves and dwarves from travelling together, or goblins and elves in MM7, or clerics and necromancers in MM8. Not to mention any other clases and/or species/subspecies in any of the MM games. If those can, then I'm pretty sure even angels and devils can suck it up and deal with their differences.

do not equalize mm and tolkien! elves and dwarves from mm are not enemies! they could leave peacefully. the same for goblins, btw in mm7 playable race is HALF-GOBLIN, not a pure goblin.

cleric and necromancer are enemies but light and darkness are only a lore - all magic could became danger and bring both war or peace - all this depends of the user and his will. + NWC couldn't find how to call this class with dark magic :-)

i case of deamons and angel - demons are always evil-kinded creatures, evilness are in their nature and they do not care about mortals. the same for the angel - honoric and proud angel won't fit in party of lowest life forms, mortal creatures. imho.

Are you sure?

When attacking the player party, enemies usually go for their preferred race/class first. Elves, dwarves, and goblins usually dislike each other ... though I can't remember the exact combinations.

The point is, race or base class is usually not a problem in MM, so there is nothing stopping an Angel and Devil travelling together in the player party. Only in MM7 (ligth/dark) and MM8 (cleric/necromancer, dragons/dragon hunters) do you have to chose between sides. And even there it is only "sort of, kinda, hnnn .... not really," as you can still mix NPCs of all kinds. All the other games, AFAIK, are quite liberal with races, classes, and promotions.

If you really want to have limitations, the only logical thing (for an MM game) would be to allow hirelings of any kind, but limit promotions. Thus if you choose to GM your Angel, you can never GM any Devils.

[Panda Tar]

Oh, which one?

I stopped playing after FF9, IMHO the best of the series! After FF9 it just went downhill ... fast!

Hum, Lalli-ho seemed to be from FF3, iirc, some dwarves you met in your journey. They are rather simple-minded in their speech, just like moogles, kupo.

[MMXAlamar]

Update!

Mandatory Races:
1. Human
2. Elf

Additional Races (by rank; chosen by you!):
1. Lizardman
2. Dwarf
3. Dark Elf
4. Angel
5. Dragon

Remaining Races:
1. Orc / Half-Orc
2. Sprite
3. Genie

Excluded Races:
1. Minotaur
2. Anubis
3. Goblin

If anyone would like to bump some of the remaining or excluded races up into the cue, please help us collect more votes!

[klaymen]

Voted for lizards.
Also I don't think that races such as angels or dragons would fit as a PCs