What? No Wizard faction?!?

[Metathron]

I'll wait for jeff's answer, thanks.

[Infiltrator]

The expansions where desperate attempts at getting more money in a hopeless attempt at staving off insolvency for 3DO... hardly the type of thing we should look at as an example.

Yeah, H4 can hardly be an example of anything. At the time 3DO was at bankruptcy, the comparison is ludicrous as best.

[Metathron]

The point was that since jeff thought having fewer factions in the vanilla game and adding them in the expansions was a cop out, I asked whether he also thought of HoMM IV expansions' no additional factions as a cop out. That 3DO was going bankrupt is besides the point - did he buy the cop out or not?

[Infiltrator]

That 3DO was going bankrupt is besides the point

No it's not. The 3DO bankruptcy had everything to do with the state the game was released at AND the "quality" of the expansions.

[Metathron]

That's not what I was asking, Captain Obvious.

[jeff]

HoMM IV had six factions. The two expansions added zero factions. Was it a cop out? Did you buy them?

Six as I assume you know math exceeds 5. H-V even had six with all of the redesign involved in it. Yes I did buy both and did not regret it, though I did want them to finish the outpost town but economics prevented that. WoW's improved editor was almost worth the cost of the expansion. Its campaign editor capabilities far exceed those of H-V. I am not going to redo a H-IV versus H-V debate here but I bought HOF as well but drew the line at Tribes, again it is more about the editor to me. If the H-VI editor is a good one, my complaint would remain but I will buy it, and hope the expansions add towns. If you want to drink the UBI Kool-Aid go ahead, but for me their margin of error is very small and decisions like this shrink that margin even more.

[Metathron]

Yikes! Who was talking about HoMM V? I was questioning the logic behind saying 5 factions + however many the expansions will bring feels like a cop out whereas -- in comparison -- HoMM IV (a game both of us love), brought 6 and then zero in the expansions...not that that ever bothered me in the slightest. Like I said before, quality before quantity, and for me the HoMM IV factions were just that, even though they had some major balance issues. Anyway, I bought both expansions too, enjoyed TGS but felt WoW was a cop out (I'm not a map maker so the editor improvements meant next to nothing to me).

Anyhoo, I'm hopeful HoMM VI will be a good game with a good editor so we can enjoy some more jeff maps in the new decade.

[jeff]

Yeah let's end this on a friendly note, my hope is H-VI moves in the direction of H-IV. My answer was mostly in response to your query. I threw in the H-V reference only because earlier in the thread someone pointed out the vast redesign was partly the reason for H-VI having only 5 factions to start. Like you I hope H-VI rekindles the Heroes community and it can go a long way by giving us an editor that us old guys/gals can actually use. You're right if you did not need the editor, WoW was not worth the cost.

[Darkström]

Sorry for off-topic, but...

Yes I did buy both and did not regret it, though I did want them to finish the outpost town but economics prevented that.

I've never heard about that, what's it about?

[Infiltrator]

That's not what I was asking, Captain Obvious.

I did not go into what you were asking. I simply followed up on an argument you presented, and I deemed fallacious. If you are just looking from one persons response you might as well use the PM function

P.S. Captain Obvious? If you're going to insult me then do it with style at least.

[Metathron]

I simply followed up on an argument you presented, and I deemed fallacious.

You may have thought of it like that, but to me it looked like you were out to grind your axe by taking a sentence out of context. But let's not mince words. I suppose that's the internet for ya, we often think we're "simply" trying to say something and it ends up being interpreted in a whole other way.

Oh and I beg your pardon about the Captain Obvious - you and I have only recently crossed paths (and what pleasant interaction it's been for both of us ), so I am as of yet unaware of how you like to be insulted.

[Infiltrator]

Like I said, with style. Calling me a hopeless delusional outright also doesn't fall into the category I'm afraid.

I've yet to characterize you in any way (you seem to be doing a great job by yourself), so I could say our pleasant interaction has been going one way so far.

[Metathron]

Calling me a hopeless delusional outright also doesn't fall into the category I'm afraid.

Huh?

I have no idea what you're going on about, but my last post (and most others, too) was amiable and tongue in cheek. Learn to take yourself, and others, less seriously. It's a forum, not a parliament or psychiatric ward.

[Infiltrator]

Was just quoting you there. But it's alright

[jeff]

Sorry for off-topic, but...

Yes I did buy both and did not regret it, though I did want them to finish the outpost town but economics prevented that.

I've never heard about that, what's it about?

Not a lot is known of it, most of it may in fact be little more than rumor. However if you search through the H-IV objects there are two hidden town icons one of each perspective of a new town called outpost. If you place the icon in the editor or a map it is labeled delete me now!! So many of us thought it was a new town cut short because of 3DO's finances.

[Infiltrator]

If they do include the naga as the 5th faction, how do you think Wizards will cope with it? Personally, I hope they go back to Heroes 2.

Pok pok pok pok pok OOOOOUGHHH

[Darkström]

If they do include the naga as the 5th faction, how do you think Wizards will cope with it? Personally, I hope they go back to Heroes 2.

Pok pok pok pok pok OOOOOUGHHH

They didn't have nagas in H5 either.

[Kalah]

No, but that doesn't mean they're not there.

For now, these creatures are not in the game. But, it does not mean that they don't exist somewhere in Ashan.

[Infiltrator]

I know, but I'm using H3 as the role model.

[Pitsu]

Sorry for off-topic, but...

Yes I did buy both and did not regret it, though I did want them to finish the outpost town but economics prevented that.

I've never heard about that, what's it about?

Not a lot is known of it, most of it may in fact be little more than rumor. However if you search through the H-IV objects there are two hidden town icons one of each perspective of a new town called outpost. If you place the icon in the editor or a map it is labeled delete me now!! So many of us thought it was a new town cut short because of 3DO's finances.

Wasn't the outpost supposed to be settlement that could be converted to any town type? It is always neutral and depending on who captures it first, it will convert into owners faction. Maybe just one of the wild rumors back then.