Heroes VI Glory

[Kalah]

A high-level Haven creature known as the "Glory" (aka. the shiny twins). Radiant on the left, blazing on the right. If you can come up with better names, by all means, bring it on ...

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[JSE]

UbiSoft really doesn't seem to understand (or to care?) that most Heroes fans -- including myself -- would like to see classical fantasy creatures rather than highly world-specific ones.



In general, it makes sense to present a game world the way it was meant to be -- but if this includes spider women as Necromancer creatures and tattoed "glorys" for the Knight ranks, maybe the conclusion is that Ashan just isn't a good Heroes setting...

[michiganjf]

Odd, but I've no particular problem with the new creatures if game play is made interesting by creative creature abilities.



I'm curious what these two can do?

[Ethric]

I propose the name "Ooh, shiny", and "Ooh, very shiny" for the upgrade.

[Milla aka. the Slayer]

They looks pwetty
I like the whole idea of new creatures and don't really need them to be classical fantasy creatures. Renewal is great.

[hellegennes]

This neon-glow creature doesn't feel like a haven unit to me. More like a bar-woman in a pub fetish night. Oh, here it goes! Let us have the Pub faction, pleeeease!

[Ethric]

Let us have the Pub faction, pleeeease!

Seconded!

Barkeep, a drink!

[JSE]

While I totally respect your view, Milla, I'm quite sure that the original Heroes fascination had a lot to do with the fact that NWC mostly took creatures from Tolkienesque fantasy and mythology.

[Ethric]

Oh no they didn't, they used ancient mythological creaatures. Had very, very little to do with Tolkien, except maybe for H3.

[JSE]

They used both -- that's why I said "Tolkienesque fantasy and mythology". I didn't mean "Tolkien mythology" but real world mythology.



When I say "Tolkienesque" I mean the way the elves, dwarves, goblins, orcs, and halflings were designed. Tolkien of course didn't "invent" elves or dwarves, but he gave them their characteristic traits which have become fantasy standards.



The Heroes games used these standards just like Warhammer (and Warcraft) did.
Edited on Sat, Nov 27 2010, 13:12 by JSE

[Warmonger]

New creatures are never bad, but ODD creatures replacing original ones (vide Light Cavalry) are somewhat not expected. These could be support / alternative units like H4 bestiary, but definitely not core army. You can't have both good, old lineup and tons of new creations.

[Pitsu]

Again i wonder how will the mapmakers, who use a different lore from the official one, explain these spirits? Or will all mapmakers now be forced to stick to the official lore?

[hellegennes]

While I totally respect your view, Milla, I'm quite sure that the original Heroes fascination had a lot to do with the fact that NWC mostly took creatures from Tolkienesque fantasy and mythology.



More like ancient Greek mythology (25% in H3) + other mythological beasts. Take H3 Tower, for example. Gremlin = English folklore, Gargoyle = various from antiquity (but Heroes' concept is Teutonic), Golem = Jewish, Genie = Arabic, Mage = general concept, Naga = Hindu, Giant/Titan = Greek.



Where is Tolkien? Sure, there are halfings and goblins and trolls, which are conceptually taken from Tolkien and not the original folklore but this is just it. All the other units are either human, supernatural or mythological.

[GreatEmerald]

Again i wonder how will the mapmakers, who use a different lore from the official one, explain these spirits? Or will all mapmakers now be forced to stick to the official lore?

Apparently a wizard did it.

[JSE]

@ Pitsu: Exactly! The mapmaking versatility is a very important point to consider and it's one of the reasons why more "generic" creatures fit much better into a Heroes game than "specific" ones -- like the Glory...

[hellegennes]

Here's your explanation: they retired after the events of Heroes VI, which come before those of H5.

[JSE]

That would explain the situation for custom-made scenarios set on Ashan. Many fans, however, create scenarios (and campaigns) set in different fantasy worlds -- making it quite difficult to incorporate highly specific creatures.

[hellegennes]

You are right. Though they can explain their existence with events that they place to occur on these different settings/realms. These can be just events or whole maps. But I understand the complications and implications of introducing non-generic units.

[Fuddelbaerentatze]

Highly specific creatures vs. ordinary standard creatures should not be the problem - in an ideal world. Because in an ideal world, we will be provided with an map/campaign editor and tools that will allow us to change all that so we are free to set up lore and bestiary to our own tastes. I wonder what a certain mapmaker/modder now working for Ubisoft could tell us about such aspirations.

[Pitsu]

I am certainly not against new unique creatures, by i want then to be an addition, not replacement of general ones. If the two remaining factions would be academy and naga, then vanilla H6 would not have an elf, dwarf, unicorn, troll or ogre?
I think reskinning of models and altering their function (e.g. switching abilities or setting creatures as structures) is as far as the modding goes. Doubtful that they would allow us to edit the models themselves and this work is a pain to do anyway.