Ubi and Copy Protection

The new Heroes games produced by Ubisoft. Please specify which game you are referring to in your post.
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Unread postby Znork » 12 Apr 2006, 18:47

Angelspit wrote:The funny thing is that the Starforce celebration thread on the official forum is turning into flames. Anti-SF activists have been called pirates by a member of the community... :disagree:
Im working it:) This will be a happy thread !

And hp well you was as important as me and all the others:)

It was ubi wisenes FC greate ness and ouer voice that did this.

All hail ubi!
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Unread postby Kalah » 12 Apr 2006, 19:02

I must admit my hesitation to decide whether or not to purchase this game was partly due to the principle of this copy-protection scheme. Now that it is gone, I am quite certain the Heroes 5 box will soon be located on my shelf, along with H3 and 4.
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Unread postby HodgePodge » 12 Apr 2006, 19:22

Znork wrote: Im working it:) This will be a happy thread !

And hp well you was as important as me and all the others:)

It was ubi wisenes FC greate ness and ouer voice that did this.

All hail ubi!
Yes, we fought the good fight & UbiSoft shows much wisdom for this 11th hour decision. Thanks to everyone who did their part … and a special thanks to Fabrice & the decision makers at UbiSoft. You won't be sorry. Heroes Forever!!

I haven't played the betas, so Heroes V will be brand new to me when it's released. :-D
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Unread postby Kalah » 12 Apr 2006, 19:27

HodgePodge wrote:Heroes Forever!!
Mod note: I'll allow big text this time. This deserves a big headline. :D
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Unread postby Gaidal Cain » 12 Apr 2006, 19:31

So, HP, what are you going to do to show them just how right this decision was? Buy an extra copy? ;)

Oh, and Kalah: don't be such a bore. We only have rules against big text and stuff in sigs...
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Unread postby Kalah » 12 Apr 2006, 19:33

Buy ten. Share with your friends.
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Unread postby Znork » 12 Apr 2006, 19:33

and a new sign hp?;)
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Unread postby Orfinn » 13 Apr 2006, 10:38

Nice to see that HP changed back to her normal positive self :-D
Im just as happy as she is, finally we can take a deep breath and wait for the H5 release and then enjoy it to its fullest, it will be sooooooooooooooo great!! :-D :D B-) :tsup:

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Unread postby ultima_squall » 13 Apr 2006, 14:43

<------------Preorders Heroes V :)

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Unread postby Dalai » 13 Apr 2006, 16:31

HodgePodge wrote:Heroes Forever!!

I haven't played the betas, so Heroes V will be brand new to me when it's released. :-D
And what about this? ;)
it's horrible customer relations with UbiSoft, it's annoying 3d camera angles & panning in & out, it's stupid creature names & appearances, it's the planning of the game around the graphics, it's the copying of Heroes III in 3d with rehashed creatures, it's the decrease in the magic system & spells, it's the small battlefield size...
One can add to this list unusable interface, absence of "hero doll", non-flaggable windmills, handful of artifacts, 1 hero per town and no good strategy for non-native heroes, and some other arguable decisions.
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Unread postby HodgePodge » 13 Apr 2006, 16:43

Dalai wrote:And what about this? ;)
HodgePodge wrote:it's horrible customer relations with UbiSoft, it's annoying 3d camera angles & panning in & out, it's stupid creature names & appearances, it's the planning of the game around the graphics, it's the copying of Heroes III in 3d with rehashed creatures, it's the decrease in the magic system & spells, it's the small battlefield size...
Well, we'll just have to wait & see. If the extra months helped at all, maybe all of these negatives will be turned to positives.
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Unread postby Dalai » 13 Apr 2006, 17:07

HodgePodge wrote: Well, we'll just have to wait & see. If the extra months helped at all, maybe all of these negatives will be turned to positives.
I edited previous post and added some more. I too hope they will do something, but I strongly doubt that chances for that are high :(

But I must agree with those, who recognises your optimism :)
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Unread postby HodgePodge » 13 Apr 2006, 17:14

Dalai wrote: But I must agree with those, who recognises your optimism :)
I've been "down-in-the-dumps" over the Heroes 5-StarForce thing for so long that now that it's over, I'm like a little kid at Christmas. I am looking forward to Heroes 5 but I'm still equally looking forward to the next release of Equilibris. I love Heroes 4. I truly hope that a year from now, I can say the same about Heroes 5. :tsup:
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Unread postby Kalah » 13 Apr 2006, 20:42

Time to close. Thanks to everybody who behaved. Those of you who didn't, please line up here next to our automatic spanking machine. ;)
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Unread postby Kalah » 15 Apr 2006, 01:43

Since we have now learned that UbiSoft have decided not to use the notorious StarForce program in their Heroes series, we can leave that discussion. Instead, let us focus on its replacement: Sony's SecuROM.

It has filtered out that Ubi intend to use SecuROM in Heroes V, and of course this is quite understandable. Some form of copy protection is to be excpected in today's market. Some of us - myself included - may be disappointed that they did not follow in Stardock's apparently successful path: using no protection and instead issuing free patches & updates for valid key-holders (buyers) only, but I for one take the latest development as a sign of good faith from the producers.

About SecuROM, their own website tells us little about how the thing really works; its only lavish praise and boasting of their own accomplishments. CD Media World explain it better:
SecuROM is a patented CD-ROM copy protection technology that identifies a ‘genuine’ CD-ROM by a special authentication mechanism. During Sony DADC’s mastering process an electronic fingerprint is applied onto the glass master which assigns a unique number to each CD-ROM title.

The most recent version also detects if it is being run from a CD-R media (V-Rally 2), to solve this just use a CD-ROM, instead of a CD-Writer, to play the game from.

The latest SecuROM New revision includes "Trigger Functions" which allow the developer to program multiple and fully customizable authentication checks throughout the entire application, providing what is said to be a much stronger copy control than systems with only one check at program start. The Trigger Function toolset enables the publisher/developer to customize a unique security code for each title to prevent even title-specific cracks and Internet piracy.
This means you have to use the original CD in the drive while playing the game. Some sites, however, do claim that you can override this and create a backup copy to use as your personal disc - which is neither illegal nor immoral.

It seems this Sony DACD scheme is aimed at those wishing to make lots of copies, trying to make this a cumbersome procedure. I have little against such programs, as I am not trying to produce copies to all my friends and/or put them out for sale on ebay, though I adamantly insist upon the right to create a backup copy for my own personal use.
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Unread postby HodgePodge » 15 Apr 2006, 01:51

As long as SecuROM doesn't harm my computer or my installed applications & files, I'm okay with it.
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Unread postby Orfinn » 15 Apr 2006, 09:06

This SecuROM seems okay, at least it cant get worse than SF. I'll give it a shot.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 24 Apr 2006, 21:43

BTW, anyone heard that Daemon Tools 4 is out. I have a little suspicion as to why Ubi droped SF... :devil:
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 21 May 2006, 00:55

All praise HP. Guess she won on all fronts.
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