Time to Talk Heroes 6?

[ThunderTitan]

All the design (including story and universe) you don't like in H5 is not Nival's fault.

I don't know... their last TBS was all M:tG, and H5 is all WH... i'm seeing a trend here. Not that Ubi didn't have to agree to it...

[Avonu]

All the design (including story and universe) you don't like in H5 is not Nival's fault. The only thing to blame Nival for is bugs and the slow AI.

Might & Magic world development

World manager - Erwan Le Breton
Scriptwriter (scenario and dialogs) - Jeffrey Spock
World Artist - Olivier Ledroit
World development - Richard E. Dansky

Design

Scenario - Sergey Velichko
Dialog Scenes Designer - Sergey Velichko, Vyacheslav Scheredin, Dmitry Akimov, Eugenia Tokareva

Artwork

Art Director - Alexander Panov, Victor Surkov
Concept Artist - Alexander Panov, Boris Scherbinkin, Vadim Bakhlychev, Victor Surkov

Team‑Leader - Alexander Bordo, Alexander Kushulya, Alexander Yakimenko, Alexey Borzykh, Anton Ioylev, Anton Lavrushkin, Anton Martyshenko, Daniil Shipitsyn, Julia Aulova, Yaroslav Kondratiev

2D Art and Texture - Alexander Panov, Alexandra Zakharova, Andrey Dubrovin, Anton Ioylev, Anton Lavrushkin, Boris Scherbinkin, Elizaveta Stelmakh, Yevgeny Dlinnov, Margarita Guryeva, Maria Sinelnikova, Marina Makhalina, Natalia Bryntseva, Olga Gundarova, Sergey Fomin, Vadim Bakhlychev, Vadim Frolikov, Alexandra Zakharova, Alexander Panov, Victor Surkov

Are you still sure, that Nival has nothing to do with units desing and dialogs scenes?
Maybe you remember article (you posted link to that) which said that Nival was for 8x10 battlefield because units will looks better - they don't thought about tactical site of so small battlefield. Ubisoft "persued" them to 10x12 battlefield (which is still too small for use of any advanced tactics).
I not talking that all is Nival fault but they are responsible for more then just non-existing AI, bugs, WH rip-off units models and so on.

[Asheera]

All the design and concept artwork had to be approve by Ubisoft first. So even so if something looks crappy it's Ubi's fault that they accepted it

I remember reading that many concepts were not accepted by the publishers as well.

About the battlefield, yes they preferred the 8x10 small version, and fans got extremely angry and under this pressure Ubisoft ordered them to make a larger battlefield.

[Pol]

All the design and concept artwork had to be approve by Ubisoft first. So even so if something looks crappy it's Ubi's fault that they accepted it

Yep.
It's good to not let this to being forgotten.

[PhoenixReborn]

I remember something about battlefields changing size depending on the circumstances.

Anyhow it no longer matters. Heroes 5 is over and done with.

[Metathron]

Apparently, a Hungarian company is going to take the reins as HoMM VI developer. Anyone know of any?

This is all so very exciting!

[Ravenheart87]

Are you sure? Source of information? I'm from Hungary, so I'm now a bit excited... I can only think of Black Hole Entertainment (Mark of Chaos), Stormregion (SWINE, Codename: Panzers) and Digital Reality (Imperium Galactica, Haegemonia, War Front). Some of our guys were working on Crysis too...

BTW, the movies of Heroes5 were also done by hungarian.


Edited on Sat, Jan 17 2009, 15:55 by Ravenheart87

[Vlaad II]

Apparently, a Hungarian company is going to take the reins as HoMM VI developer. Anyone know of any?

This is all so very exciting!

Most likely Black Hole Entertainment? Or maybe StormRegion? Digital Reality? Not Eidos Interactive Hungary (former Mithis Entertainment)? Anyhow, it's bad news...

[Asheera]

Bad news? How so?

[Metathron]

Yes, I'd like to know why as well, Vlaad.

Perhaps because Black Hole Entertainment dabbled in the Warhammer universe?

Mark of Chaos has an average critic score of 7.4 (as per Gamespot), while its expansion 6.5. They also created Armies of Exigo (7.1).

StormRegion went out of business last year, so I don't think it's them.

Some of Digital Reality's games:

Reunion (strategy), too old to have any critic scores.
Imperium Galactica I (strategy)
Imperium Galactica II (strategy) - 7.9
Hegemonia: Legions of Iron (strategy) - 8.0

Is it me or is there a pattern to the last developer?

EDIT: Ravenheart, I got this info from the Ubi boards, one of the (well-known and respectable) members hinted at this.

[Vlaad II]

Bad news? How so?

It's another change of the developer. The original H5 aside, I think everyone agrees Tribes is a decent game (some of us expected something else, but let's not go there again). The point is they have a priceless experience now and should have been able to improve the game rather than start from scratch.

In addition, I was actually looking forward to seeing Nival's H6. I believe they would have been more... innovative. I understand H5 had to be more similar to H3, the most popular game in the series. But having already revived the series, perhaps Nival would introduce features such as commanders or whatever. Not sure if the new devs will go there.

I am aware some of these things depend on Ubisoft though...

Finally, I haven't heard of any TBS developed by a Hungarian company (I might be wrong though). At least Nival had made Etherlords prior to Heroes. It doesn't have to mean anything though.

Even if the transition is smooth, I was actually hoping for news on H6 in the near future; I thought the sequel could have been announced at this year's KRI, while the beta could have been ready by late 2010. I'm not sure any new developer can meet those deadlines. But I guess a late game is better than a rushed one...

This is all speculation, of course (and so is Sir Charles's post, at least until we get an official confirmation).

@ Ash

Let's both stop crossposting LOL

[Asheera]

Oh yes I agree that another developer change is not really a good idea (depends of course), I thought you meant "bad news" that it's a Hungarian company.

And apart from a very complex AI it's not that hard to make a TBS compared with a strategy game.

"Let's both stop crossposting LOL"

Agreed lol

[jeff]

[I think everyone agrees Tribes is a decent game.

Sorry, not even close

[Ravenheart87]

"Ravenheart, I got this info from the Ubi boards, one of the (well-known and respectable) members hinted at this."

I see... I also found it now.



"Finally, I haven't heard of any TBS developed by a Hungarian company (I might be wrong though). At least Nival had made Etherlords prior to Heroes. It doesn't have to mean anything though."

Me neither, but we mostly do strategy games, and we have many devoted Heroes fans in the coutry.



Mark of Chaos wasn't so bad, I only disliked it's hardware requirements... The movies were great, graphics also - I hope everyone saw the Mark of Chaos intro.

BTW, a developer from Black Hole once told a story, how they managed to change GW's mind. GW wanted Chaos Warriors to have ridiculously spiky armours - the BH guys told them, that with larger spikes, an armor would be not just even more uncomfortable, but after a fall, the warrior would impale himself. And Chaos Warriors impaling themselves on their armour is... well... good for Monthy Pyton, but not for Warhammer.

[ThunderTitan]

In addition, I was actually looking forward to seeing Nival's H6. I believe they would have been more... innovative. I understand H5 had to be more similar to H3, the most popular game in the series.

Sure, but there's no reason for it to be more like WH except that Etherlords was all like MtG...

[Vlaad II]

@ jeff & ThunderTitan

I hear you, guys, but didn't want to go there again.

[ThunderTitan]

@Ravenheart87

Meh, MoC was way to samey when it came to fighting... i think it was because it couldn't decide if it was real time or turn based, which made neither part work very well.

@Vlaad II

sorry, but that has nothing to do with H5 itself but with Nival's record with innovation.