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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 07 Dec 2008, 16:56

Borsuc wrote: I can't stand LCDs with their crappy quality (contrast) plus the one which was 'similar' to this one was twice as expensive. Not to mention that it looks like **** from different angles.
What year was this?! I have a Dell that was like 200e like 2 years ago that doesn't have any of those problems (did get it from Germany from someone that ordered 1 more 4 me when they bought some for their work place, which makes car breaks, so you can imagine they only ordered the best stuff).

I think it's this one, or it looks close enough: http://www.inavantaj.ro/276-monitor-dell-19-inch.html


Oh, wait, it's actually a plasma... so i guess buy plasma coz the flatness is worth it...
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Unread postby Avonu » 07 Dec 2008, 17:26

Just installed H3:SoD on my HD but I couldn't run it. After carefully checking it seems I have not enough disk space - I need at least 5 MB and I only have +100 GB. ;)

Reinstalled it to disk with Windows (less hd space) and it works fine now.

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Unread postby Asheera » 07 Dec 2008, 17:31

That would be some kind of bad programming, I suppose. Even if it's old it shouldn't have that bug.
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Unread postby Borsuc » 07 Dec 2008, 18:00

ThunderTitan wrote: Oh, wait, it's actually a plasma... so i guess buy plasma coz the flatness is worth it...
Well plasmas look ok (I mean the quality), but they also take up a lot of energy -- some even more than CRTs (of course it depends on the respective monitor).

and how come the flatness is worth it? I'm not into macho style, I use a monitor to look at its screen, not at its shape :P

in short: don't care.

another extra tip: widescreen are popular because they are cheaper to manufacture, not because they are "cool" -- they of course want you to think its cool since it will make them sell even better. Why are they cheaper to manufacture? If we take by the advertising, aka diagonal length, then a widescreen with the same diagonal as a 4:3 or even more square (some LCDs have 5:4) have less screen area, thus they actually are "smaller" in area. (do the math ;))

Smaller area means cheaper. if they were advertised by area instead it would be obvious.
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Unread postby Asheera » 07 Dec 2008, 18:26

Borsuc wrote:I'm not into macho style, I use a monitor to look at its screen, not at its shape :P
How about cleaning it from dust? :D
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Unread postby Kalah » 07 Dec 2008, 22:37

I'm gonna try plugging my PC into my dad's 42" plasma screen.... then que X3:reunion and see what's what. :) (then I'll need a new video card, of course)
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Unread postby darknessfood » 07 Dec 2008, 23:11

LCD screens are [retty good these days. But I just can't get them now, too expensive for me, especialy during these times...
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Unread postby Kalah » 07 Dec 2008, 23:17

Well, in these credit crunch times, aren't there any out there even cheaper than usual?
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Unread postby Borsuc » 07 Dec 2008, 23:44

My point is, even if they are pretty good, why waste money (and a substantial amount) on something with less quality? I mean as long as your current one works...
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Unread postby Kalah » 08 Dec 2008, 00:19

I don't understand why you think flat screens are worse in quality than CRT... :?
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Unread postby darknessfood » 08 Dec 2008, 00:28

Everything is was beter in the early days you know :devious: ...
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Unread postby Angelspit » 08 Dec 2008, 01:22

Kalah wrote:Well, in these credit crunch times, aren't there any out there even cheaper than usual?
You mean for monitors or TVs? Not that the difference really matters anymore.
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Unread postby Borsuc » 08 Dec 2008, 13:51

Kalah wrote:I don't understand why you think flat screens are worse in quality than CRT... :?
Nothing to do with flatness. LCDs have poorer contrast because they need to absorb light and it is impossible to obtain a perfect black, for example.

Plasmas are good but they aren't that much different than CRTs, in all other aspects except the flatness. And they burn out a lot quicker and might use up kinda lots of energy, and are susceptible to air pressure and a lot more, in short they are kinda fragile. (CRTs and LCDs last a lot).

I'm surprised you haven't noticed the contrast difference between an LCD and a CRT (or plasma), it's pretty obvious if you compare them side-by-side, but if you're interested you can get into the technical/scientifical explanation too, although that's a bit too much for this thread :P
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Unread postby Asheera » 08 Dec 2008, 14:03

Who needs a perfect black if you don't really notice the difference unless comparing them? Some good LCDs have a good quality and it's not really 'detectable' unless you compare it with something 'perfect' (CRT) carefully... but why would you do that?
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Unread postby darknessfood » 08 Dec 2008, 14:14

He justs wants to say that LCD is more expensive than something cheaper. It justs looks better, and that is what youpay for...
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Unread postby Angelspit » 08 Dec 2008, 14:21

Poor blacks are noticeable during dark scenes, especially on older movies (a Friday the 13th for instance). With a little calibration I'm getting very satisfying results (despite my Samsung only having a 10000:1 contrast ratio). I think the bright colors of a LCD are much more impressive than the deep blacks of a plasma.
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Unread postby Borsuc » 08 Dec 2008, 18:16

Asheera wrote:Who needs a perfect black if you don't really notice the difference unless comparing them? Some good LCDs have a good quality and it's not really 'detectable' unless you compare it with something 'perfect' (CRT) carefully... but why would you do that?
That's like saying "who needs so detailed textures, it's not like anyone actually watches them up-close"...

and yes, the LCD is 'flawed' black is noticeable to me, especially in dark areas.. Of course, that's only if you compare them side-by-side. Then again, feel free to think whatever you want, but you don't have to take my word on it -- read some professional unbiased reviews about it (yeah that's right, without even THINKING about flatness, since those reviews only concern about what's on the screen, rather than what's behind). (and the light absorption method of the LCD, see why it's almost impossible to achieve that black etc...).

Of course, if one expects a given monitor to look good, then it's gonna look good, regardless of objective measurements -- similar to the placebo effect in medicine. Unless you compare you'll just subconsciously think it's perfect. It's a psychological study or something :P


and of course, in dark-light conditions so as to make them look better.
and by "poor" blacks I do not mean 'poor' literally, just poorer than a CRT or a plasma (even though CRT beats plasma in contrast as well, by a very small margin).
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Unread postby Asheera » 08 Dec 2008, 18:40

Then why are people making/buying LCDs, when they are more expensive than CRTs, and they have a lower quality (that's what you say) :P
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Unread postby Kalah » 08 Dec 2008, 19:29

I think LCD screens are much softer on the eyes than CRTs. Mostly, I use the screen for reading things, so having a "soft" image is good.
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Unread postby Borsuc » 08 Dec 2008, 19:29

@Ash: The same reason average Joe who only reads email buys a quad-core and the latest video card? Or because they just get sold by ads, or because they are the "trend"? Or because they are "OMG flat!!11!"?

Either way, not technical. Unless they do it for wasting less energy, but ask the average Joe about it.

@Kalah: perhaps, but at the computer you should wear protective glasses anyway, if you stay for long periods, regardless of type of monitor.

Yes they are 'easier' on the eye, but also the brightness can be annoying to the eyes.
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