MM History question

[Avonu]

I found that myself a few days ago. Mutare is not specifically mentioned there at all, and there are quite a few conquerers in Nighon who happen to be female. It's not exactly ironclad proof

Please... we also have text about Xex teleported Sleen to so man fighting with fearie dragons. And we know about who he tell. But Dracon isn't specially mentioned - it maybe another dragonslayer.
And you mention Nighon leaders (kins, queens, emperors or empress)? I know only two - one dragon lady and some lich who was overthrown from his throne.

"Foreign Lords! How interesting! My familiar said she could smell the earth of the lands across the sea on you. My name is Tor Anwyn, leader of the Warlocks of Nighon, though not King of Nighon. That title belongs to another. Pleased to meet you."

Consider that some of Democles village location were cut off (city hall, stable and probably even castle) I think this was not modified text from first concept of Nighon. We have already something like that in MM6 (3 weeks journey between Enroth and Antagarich, harbour west of Castle Ironfist and so on).
Of course this text can be true, but info from Mutare campaign claim that Nighon has currently no leader.

And you can't explain away the King of Erathia mention by saying Mr. Ray didn't know Nicolas was dead by AB or that they actually meant the Regent, General Kendal (who, if that were so, probably ought to have mentioned having personally fought Mutare's armies to Xanthor at the REMC meeting?).

As you said earlier, Tarnum wasn't to clued about dwarven history. He spent last twenty years in AvLee, so maybe he wasn't also clued about who is on throne in Erathia now?
After all, we already have Vial of the Dragon Blood which contain blood of the Dragon Mother - KI fixed that saying that was what probably Elves belive is in this vial.

Add to this fact that she created them thirty years before Dracon's campaign...

We talked about this - she created crystal dragon remembering something from previous Festival of Life. We didn't know (read: no proof) if she remember crystal dragon from 30 years ago or some event that inspire her now to create this creature.
However on 3DO site about AB, in new monsters description, it is write that crystal dragon was created for Dracon to his quest. Of course you can argue that this one crystal dragon was created for him, not all kind of this dragons, but personally I don't think that description of new monster not mentioned that this creature exist earlier.

[XEL II]

About three week travel between Enroth and Antagarich. It was said: "three weeks or so". The man who said this wasn't sure and most sources claim that journey from Enroth to Erathia takes 6-8 weeks.
Sleepers form WoX. They were some kind of robots, which were used in the process of XEEN's Unification*. In WoX manual Sleepers were reffered to as the Slumbering Servants and in WoX they talk like robots. Elemental Planes were fitting areas for the Sleepers to reside.
Dates in Pharaoh's log. Pharaoh lived on the Darkside and WoX party was from the Cloudside. Darkside and Cloudside could have different timelines.

* Legend of the Unification suggest that there were thousands of other worlds created by the Ancients and each one has its own destiny and that the Unification is generally a process of fulfilling this destiny. For instance, XEEN's Unification was to be transformed from two-sided platform into a normal planet.

[Avonu]

About three week travel between Enroth and Antagarich. It was said: "three weeks or so". The man who said this wasn't sure and most sources claim that journey from Enroth to Erathia takes 6-8 weeks.

Perosnally I think it is remain from concept where Enroth was Earth itself, the Kreegan landed on west Sahara and sail between Erathia and Enroth was same long as between Europe and North America.
But it is only my personal opinion.


XEL II - can you confirm that info about Dragon Rage take place on Zeen not on Ardon (game, manual texts)?

[XEL II]

Perosnally I think it is remain fom concept where Enroth was Earth itself, the Kreegan landed on west Sahara and sail between Erathia and Enroth was same long as between Europe and North America.
But it is only my personal opinion.

Wow Enroth was the Earth. Hmmm... cool That means there was some storyline behind Klavis Verge's words about inter-dimensional manipulation etc. Maybe this was the same concept where M&M6 took place in 1152 (years in the letters were obviously the ones from pre-release verisons).

XEL II - can you confirm that info about Dragon Rage take place on Zeen not on Ardon (game, manual texts)?

As I mentioned before, there are no references to Ardon or M&M universe on Zeen. Maybe Zeen was Ardon in the original concept, when the game was called Dragon Wars of Might and Magic.

About Tamar the Wanderer. He is the Elemental Lord of Air. But he is lesser than Shalwend.

Elemental lords of great power warred for control of the waters. The greatest of these was powerful Acwalandar, mightiest and most majestic of all the Water Kings.

However, the Fire Lords were few in number and could not totally destroy the Masters of the Wind.

From places vaguely rumored to exist came the most fearsome creatures yet. Emperors of Earth they called themselves. They were led by Gralkor the Cruel.

The Lords of Air recruited the Sprites into their cause

There are lesser Elemental Lords. Tamar was lesser the Lord of Air and the leader of Conflux, union between four Elements. Tamar didn't predict Reckoining, he predicted what will happen if the Kreegan conquer Antagarich and in time the rest of the planet. Reckoining was not pre-planned (not to mention that the story of the games released before Heroes Chronicles was made by the original team of developers led by JVC and Terry Ray, who invented the Reckoining, wasn't the storywriter at that time).

My question about M&M3. In Eight Crystal Lions it is said that "Because of interference created by the renegade Guardian, Sheltem, the CRON and most of the VARNs carried by this vessel were lost in the Great Sea of Terra". Obviously, it isn't the same CRON from M&M2 (since both M&M2 and M&M5 suggest it left Minos system). Is there any information about this CRON Sheltem sunked?

[Avonu]

I think that the largest island on Terra can be CRON. Remember text in manual (or just check page 6 of this topic) about land that was broken on parts and created islands of Terra? Maybe original CRON also broke? Or maybe VARNs were seperated from CRON on landing?
From MM5 we know that four of VARNs sunk by Sheltem intervence (CRON from MM2 have deliver 4 of it's VARN to probably replece these missing original terraplatform modules).

And if you can, check that info about Zeen/Ardon. I know that most of reviews aren't trusty when we speak about details but this Dragon Rage review is only info about Zeen/Ardon what I have.

[Corlagon]

I don't see how Mutare can be the King of Nighon.

Neither do I...?

And you seriously think that NWC would mention "another female Nighonian conqueror", while having an entire campaign in the same game about Mutare?

No, I do believe it was a reference to Mutare at the time. But since it was not, judging from the overwhelming indications that CotD took place before RoE, I believe that it is now to be taken with a grain of salt.

I seriously think NWC wasn't infallible. Xel II, do me a favour. Take the date of the Night of Shooting Stars and subtract it from the date of the Armageddon's Blade war. Now calculate Xeron's approximate age (as he was the son of a succubus and an Erathian).

Besides, in the rumors in that same mission there were references to Armageddon's Blade War, Dracon's quest, Conflux's arrival and Festival of Life in Krewlod.

The only thing this can prove is NWC's intentions at the time. As far as we know, they hadn't even started making the Heroes Chronicles when those "rumours" were written.

I should also go back and answer two other points I missed:

So, Dragon Clash was in c.a. 1173 (after AB and M&M8).

It certainly was not, judging from the overwhelming Kreegan presence under Mutare's command starting from the fifth scenario onwards (no, Kreegans weren't directly mentioned. yes, Devils were mentioned as a description of the race as a whole. yes, there were Infernoes all over Nighon. yes, Nighon was affiliated with the Kreegans before the Restoration War).

By AB the Kreegans had been all but wiped from the face of the earth - unless Catherine Ironfist and her troops were blind enough to totally miss the "fact" that they were now fighting AvLee - and at the time of MM8 their last remnants had somehow left the planet for the Fiery Realm. You may or may not remember that the complete destruction of Colony's Kreegans is a major plot point in MM8.

Kareeah already made this point, and other excellent ones, here. Having read over the whole debate, it boggles my mind that anyone could still assume CotD took place during or after AB. If we were to do so, there are more than a few inconsistencies either of you have yet to explain.

Underworld from HC. There is no proof that it is a separate plane. It was described as "tunnels" and "caverns" in CotU and entrance to the Underworld looks like entrance to the cavern or tunnel (name Cerberus Gate doesn't neccesarily imply it was a portal). It is not impossible for caverns to be vast and deep. Enroth is a different planet from Earth after all. Demons of Underworld appears to be the same kind of "demons" found on CRON and XEEN, vile monstorous race.

I am quite unconvinced. Let's try out a little common sense here:

If we were to follow your assumption that the Underworld is just a mass of tunnels, that would pose the question "Where did the Demons in there come from?" Well, there was only one way they could have gotten there (aside from the use of some sort of portal, though there is no evidence of that and apparently the Cerberus Gate is not one) - the Crossing. We know for certain that the Ancients seed worlds with humans, elves, dwarves and goblinoids (probably halflings too, maybe aka gnomes). But how likely is it that they'd put creatures on their seedship which strongly resemble "the Enemy"?* The odds of that happening are far slimmer than the possibility that the Underworld is just another plane linked to Colony.

*if Escaton's remark in MM8 and Tarnum's beliefs that the Kreegans were the same Demons he had fought centuries earlier in TFM are anything to work with...

Another proof? Paradise as a plane contradicts M&M universe's style.

What style? Please don't tell me you believe the entire universe started out hi-tech and will end out hi-tech. There are primal planes, one for each Force of the Dome (plus Chaos). Chaos is Escaton's Plane. Death is visited by Gauldoth. Paradise is a fine candidate for Life.

And Terry Ray surely had no clue about general M&M lore. For example, if he played M&M RPGs, he would know much more about the Kreegans than that little information HoMM3 provided.

If he really had absolutely no clue, his stories would have made contradictions. For example, he could have thrown Kreegans all over the place in TSoF or any Chronicle earlier than the Night of Shooting Stars (apart from the Fiery Moon, where it is blatant that the "Demons" are Kreegans). He didn't. Also, don't forget about NWC's "limit the sci-fi" policy following the AB Forge dispute.

The Chronicles were made for people new to the series. Why should they be full of references to the Ancients and Melian and everything else when new players don't even know what those things are? Besides, Mr. Ray was just the writer. What makes you think he came up with the premise for each Chronicle?

And tell me how the afterlife (Paradise) can be the Plane of Life?

The entities there seem to be granted "eternal" life and some form of peace. In addition, to bring LotA's lore into the fray, the Forces of the Dome (Ancestors) convey souls to this Plane. One of the Ancestors is Esoterica, the Force of Life.

Reckoining was in 1177, because Tim Lang said that Nicolai was around 23 in M&M9

This alone is dubious at best.

Please... we also have text about Xex teleported Sleen to so man fighting with fearie dragons. And we know about who he tell. But Dracon isn't specially mentioned - it maybe another dragonslayer.

Avonu. Was Mutare or the events of her campaign mentioned by any of the heroes, in any of the campaigns, by name or otherwise?

As you said earlier, Tarnum wasn't to clued about dwarven history. He spent last twenty years in AvLee, so maybe he wasn't also clued about who is on throne in Erathia now?

No offence but I think you are taking Tarnum for an idiot. I'm quite sure that he would have been keeping an eye on his "extended family".

Sleepers form WoX. They were some kind of robots, which were used in the process of XEEN's Unification*. In WoX manual Sleepers were reffered to as the Slumbering Servants and in WoX they talk like robots. Elemental Planes were fitting areas for the Sleepers to reside.

As such, the Elemental Planes were not created specifically for the Sleepers (which is an absurd notion in itself) as was argued earlier.

[XEL II]

I think that the largest island on Terra can be CRON. Remember text in manual (or just check page 6 of this topic) about land that was broken on parts and created islands of Terra? Maybe original CRON also broke? Or maybe VARNs were seperated from CRON on landing?
From MM5 we know that four of VARNs sunk by Sheltem intervence (CRON from MM2 have deliver 4 of it's VARN to probably replece these missing original terraplatform modules).

Hm, Isles were formed by terraforming modules Shikbath Zera transported to Terra. Or am I misinterpated you? Where in M&M5 it is said that Sheltem sunked four VARNs (don't remeber).
It seems that "planet" "land" from which was "broken apart" is in fact VARNs in general as they reffered to in Terran legend. We know from M&M3 that Ancients used energy of the stars to create colonist-civilizations. This was called "Elemental Manipulation" (according to M&M3 ending). During the production of VARNs the primordial oppsing elements (Fire, Water, Air, Earth) were disturbed, which caused them to manifest in the physical form of the Elementals and attack sentiens colonist races. Ancients helped colonists and banished the Elementals from this plane (into "four corners of the Void") to the Elemental Planes (ehich were created by the chaos of the Plane Between Palnes).

As such, the Elemental Planes were not created specifically for the Sleepers (which is an absurd notion in itself) as was argued earlier.

Hey, you misunderstanded me I never said that the elemental Planes were created for Sleepers, I just said they were the fitting area for the Sleepers to reside.

I seriously think NWC wasn't infallible. Xel II, do me a favour. Take the date of the Night of Shooting Stars and subtract it from the date of the Armageddon's Blade war. Now calculate Xeron's approximate age (as he was the son of a succubus and an Erathian).

Sure Xeron's approximate age is 8. And there is nothing strange in that. Kreegans do have (either naturally or artificially) different breeding cycle. In M&M6 we got The Hive and Queen, which evidently spawned the Kreegan.

Avonu. Was Mutare or the events of her campaign mentioned by any of the heroes, in any of the campaigns, by name or otherwise?

Second map of "Playing with Fire", tavern rumors

This alone is dubious at best.

No offence, but you are contradicting yourself Tim Lang is competent about M&M9 since he was the lead developer of this game. Not about Enroth or Axeoth in general. But you say he is competent about Enroth ("true" name Colony), but incompetent about M&M9 (Nicolai's age and presence).

If he really had absolutely no clue, his stories would have made contradictions. For example, he could have thrown Kreegans all over the place in TSoF or any Chronicle earlier than the Night of Shooting Stars (apart from the Fiery Moon, where it is blatant that the "Demons" are Kreegans). He didn't. Also, don't forget about NWC's "limit the sci-fi" policy following the AB Forge dispute.

The Chronicles were made for people new to the series. Why should they be full of references to the Ancients and Melian and everything else when new players don't even know what those things are? Besides, Mr. Ray was just the writer. What makes you think he came up with the premise for each Chronicle?

And so they did. Overwhelming Kreegan presence under Mutare's command, statements like "Kreegans were destroyed by the Reckoining in Heroes IV). Of course, those about the Kreegan weren't open contradictions, but still...
The Ancients and Melian shouldn't be referenced all the time. They weren't mentioned in Heroes III, yet they were around and played the role in the storyline (war against the Kreegan etc.). Heroes Chronicles ignores the general history of the planet. Open contradictions in Chronicles and Heroes IV are few, but still there are some inconsistencies and strange references.
Terry Ray is credited as writer in each of Heroes Chroniles and in Heroes IV.

[Avonu]

I seriously think NWC wasn't infallible. Xel II, do me a favour. Take the date of the Night of Shooting Stars and subtract it from the date of the Armageddon's Blade war. Now calculate Xeron's approximate age (as he was the son of a succubus and an Erathian).

And he is described as Efreeti in AB manual - not "pure blood" Kreegan. But we two talked about this previous.
Anyway - we don't know how long it take for Kreegan to become mature (I guess not long because of their numbers and paraller to ants).

What style? Please don't tell me you believe the entire universe started out hi-tech and will end out hi-tech. There are primal planes, one for each Force of the Dome (plus Chaos). Chaos is Escaton's Plane. Death is visited by Gauldoth. Paradise is a fine candidate for Life.

I agree with you - there is Hi-Tech but there also is magic and other planes of existance.
But now I must correct some things:
- Forces of the Dome - this is you theory about them - from games we know nearly nothing about them. Only that they took future islands of Terra from "Gates of the Ancients" to Terra and that they teach humanoids how to fight with elementals.
- Plane of Death - it was "nickname" for this place from Gauldoth - we don't know if he was correct (correct me if I am wrong).
- Plane of Chaos - is not stricte Escaton Plane. He didn't "create" it but he live there and if you read "history book" from MM8, you will know that around his palace were houses - if you can quote this, I would be thankful.

Avonu. Was Mutare or the events of her campaign mentioned by any of the heroes, in any of the campaigns, by name or otherwise?

I try to check it but not in nearly future. So don't forget about this question.

No offence but I think you are taking Tarnum for an idiot. I'm quite sure that he would have been keeping an eye on his "extended family".

He was an idiot (in Sword of Frost ) but no, I don't think he was mindless. But he live happylast 20 years in AvLee - I don't think that he was interested on other countries. After all he was not aware of dragon missing. He only wishes to live happy with Wearjack not bother by anyone.

Hm, Isles were formed by terraforming modules Shikbath Zera transported to Terra. Or am I misinterpated you? Where in M&M5 it is said that Sheltem sunked four VARNs (don't remeber).

Well, it's my interpretation from MM5 - there Corak post in his journal that four VARNs from MM2 CROn were departed to Terra (check it yourself). From lions in MM3 we know that some of VARNs sunk. From MM3 Maze of Hell description by Corak we know that great strom destroyed oceanic civilization - I think that strom was Shikbath Zera landing.
And from manual we know that land from "Gates of the Ancients" created later isles of Terra.
So I added all this facts and my conclusion is that: VARNs (refered also as terraforming modules - well VARN 4 was flat so "tf module" can easly be it definition) landed on Terra as Isles. Besides:

I have arrived on Terra once again, and the landscape is a bit different from my last visit. Four VARN. descended on the planet while I was in stasis and Sheltem is busy assimlating the people, plants, and animals into the existing biosphere.

[Corlagon]

Hey, you misunderstanded me I never said that the elemental Planes were created for Sleepers, I just said they were the fitting area for the Sleepers to reside.

Apologies, I think you are correct. I could have sworn that someone said the former in another thread.

Sure Xeron's approximate age is 8. And there is nothing strange in that. Kreegans do have (either naturally or artificially) different breeding cycle. In M&M6 we got The Hive and Queen, which evidently spawned the Kreegan.

Excellent. An eight year old half-demon is walking around with a beard, plotting to set the world on fire.

Nothing strange about that. Also, nothing concrete suggests that the Kreegans have an accelerated pattern of aging.

Second map of "Playing with Fire", tavern rumors

You may have misread. "Was Mutare or the events of her campaign mentioned by any of the heroes"

No offence, but you are contradicting yourself Tim Lang is competent about M&M9 since he was the lead developer of this game. Not about Enroth or Axeoth in general. But you say he is competent about Enroth ("true" name Colony), but incompetent about M&M9 (Nicolai's age and presence).

No. I say a fact is a fact and an assumption is an assumption. He stated that Colony is a fine name for the planet, but assumed (from memory) that Nicolai was around 23.

- Plane of Chaos - is not stricte Escaton Plane. He didn't "create" it but he live there and if you read "history book" from MM8, you will know that around his palace were houses - if you can quote this, I would be thankful.

Well, I didn't say he created it. But he did rule it, if I remember correctly.

I am unsure what to quote exactly, but here's something:

"All I know of the Plane Between Planes is what I learned from the Alvarian loremasters. Still, if the Destroyer's base is there, proceed with the greatest caution! It is said the plane is made of the stuff of chaos from which all the other planes are formed as if from clay. While chaos has a form, it is fluid. Whatever you see there will not be as it seems. And what is there may be subject to continuous change."

[XEL II]

I agree with you - there is Hi-Tech but there also is magic and other planes of existance.
But now I must correct some things:
- Forces of the Dome - this is you theory about them - from games we know nearly nothing about them. Only that they took future islands of Terra from "Gates of the Ancients" to Terra and that they teach humanoids how to fight with elementals.
- Plane of Death - it was "nickname" for this place from Gauldoth - we don't know if he was correct (correct me if I am wrong).
- Plane of Chaos - is not stricte Escaton Plane. He didn't "create" it but he live there and if you read "history book" from MM8, you will know that around his palace were houses - if you can quote this, I would be thankful.

Of course, they are. But general concept of M&M universe is about the super-developer spacefaring race, which seeds and creates the worlds. This is the style, mix between sci-fi and fantasy. And tiynig in Paradise and Hell from simple fantasy, especially considering that the writer who invented the Paradise had ittle knowledge of M&M lore, isn't worth it.
As for the Plane of Death, I think that these creature Kalibarr served was Necros from CoMM (in the end of CoMM he acquired powers of the Ancients and the Kreegan and was expelled from Ardon to the Kreegan-devastated world) and this "Plane of Death" is in fact the ruins of this world where Necros was expelled. this is also reinforced by the fact that Kalibarr came to serve the "God of Death" some time around his transportation to the Kreegan world from Heroes IV.

[Avonu]

Strange - I remember that I killed Necros in PC version.

@Corlagon - it is not this text.
Read texts about Destroyer and Elemental Lors in history book (I don't know if this names are correct in English but I'm sure that you find right texts).

[XEL II]

Tim Lang didn't work on developing of Enroth. Yet he worked on developing of M&M9 and can be competent about this game. And he said "as I recall we made Nicolai around 23". That doesn't sound like "I think we made him around 23" or "we maybe made him around 23".

Excellent. An eight year old half-demon is walking around with a beard, plotting to set the world on fire.

Nothing strange about that. Also, nothing concrete suggests that the Kreegans have an accelerated pattern of aging.

The Hive suggests this. As well as Xeron himself. NWC definetly remembered that Kreegan came around 7 years before the start of AB, since it is stated in AB.

[XEL II]

Strange - I remember that I killed Necros in PC version.

But you don't in PS version And PS version have much more information about Necros and his goals.

And from manual we know that land from "Gates of the Ancients" created later isles of Terra.

IIRC "Gates of the Ancients" is the name legend gives to the place from where "parted land" was brought to Terra. Note: the legend talks about the origin of the Elementals as the physical forms of the primal elemental forces (see my analysis of the legend above).

[Avonu]

...but have less some other info.
OK, can we stop this "my version of game is more canonical then yours" arguing?
IIRC there were some plots not ended in CoMM (Celestia anyone?) so I think that surviving of Necros was reserved for second part of CoMM just like surviving of Daria in WoMM.

[XEL II]

...but have less some other info.
OK, can we stop this "my version of game is more canonical then yours" arguing?
IIRC there were some plots not ended in CoMM (Celestia anyone?) so I think that surviving of Necros was reserved for second part of CoMM just like surviving of Daria in WoMM.

Well, Daria was killed by Alleron in Shifters I think this "God of Death" was in fact Necros, based on some similitaries (necromantic being, huge power, lives in the devastated place etc.).

[Avonu]

Necromantic being? Huge powers? Leaving in devastated place?
Well, just take some powerful necromancer (Deyja was devastated place) and you have similar to "God of Death".
Can you post description of his plane from Gauldoth's campaign? And did this description match to Necros banish place? I am courius about that.

[Corlagon]

especially considering that the writer who invented the Paradise had a little knowledge of M&M lore isn't worth it.

It's not, and never was, up to any of us which games are canon and which aren't.

(Well, except Crusaders, which is all over the place )

The Hive suggests this. As well as Xeron himself. NWC definetly remembered that Kreegan came around 7 years before the start of AB, since it is stated in AB.

Well, I don't know about that. It took me some time to discover this weird inconsistency. Remember that Xeron himself was created in a hurry, as a replacement antagonist for Kastore or whoever was supposed to lead the Forge armies in the original campaign.

Also, I doubt that a "child" could earn so much respect in a short time that other, much older Kreegans would follow his decision to support Lucifer.

As for the Plane of Death, I think that these creature Kalibarr served was Necros from CoMM (in the end of CoMM he acquired powers of the Ancients and the Kreegan and was expelled from Ardon to the Kreegan-devastated world)

Actually, I really like this theory. It fits in very, very well. Do you mind if I plaster The Spinward Tales with it?

Necros did say something about "the realm of the Kreegans themselves", and his second quote was: "If there's an exit on the other side of this vortex, I'll finish the job there!"

That's probably what he was trying to do with the Unholy Breath, and Axeoth was a "test subject" to see if it would work on planets. Thanks to Gauldoth, it didn't

Just to clarify, though - you believe that the Fiery Realm was this place Necros was talking about, and he made his way to the Plane of Death later?

@Corlagon - it is not this text.
Read texts about Destroyer and Elemental Lors in history book (I don't know if this names are correct in English but I'm sure that you find right texts).

Sorry, I can't find anything. Are you sure it's in a history book? Do you remember where the book was? I'm using MM7View to extract these texts, but can't find a thing in Scroll.txt.

[XEL II]

I am quite unconvinced. Let's try out a little common sense here:

If we were to follow your assumption that the Underworld is just a mass of tunnels, that would pose the question "Where did the Demons in there come from?" Well, there was only one way they could have gotten there (aside from the use of some sort of portal, though there is no evidence of that and apparently the Cerberus Gate is not one) - the Crossing. We know for certain that the Ancients seed worlds with humans, elves, dwarves and goblinoids (probably halflings too, maybe aka gnomes). But how likely is it that they'd put creatures on their seedship which strongly resemble "the Enemy"?* The odds of that happening are far slimmer than the possibility that the Underworld is just another plane linked to Colony.

Whos said that the Underworld demons strongly resemble the Kreegan (on the pictures of them, they look different from the Kreegan). And even if they do resemble them, I don't see why Ancients would not be seeding the worlds with them just because of they resemblance to the Kreegan in appearance. And humans, elves, dwarfs, goblinoids, halfings, gnomes are not only races the ancients seed the worlds with. There are many others, some of them aren't humanoid. For example, there are races on XEEN, which weren't on Enroth, Axeoth, Terra etc.
BTW, Escaton said "devils from the myth", not "demons of the Underworld" or "demons you have encountered".

[XEL II]

Just to clarify, though - you believe that the Fiery Realm was this place Necros was talking about, and he made his way to the Plane of Death later?

I believe that the "Plane of Death" (it is a nickname given by Gauldoth after all) was the Kreegan-devastated. I'm not sure if the Kreegan world Necros was banished to is the Fiery Realm and he went to the "Plane of Death" after that or is the Fiery Realm is the "Plane of Death" itself.

[Avonu]

Sorry, I can't find anything. Are you sure it's in a history book? Do you remember where the book was? I'm using MM7View to extract these texts, but can't find a thing in Scroll.txt.

Here you have screenshots from my version of game:




Niszczyciel = Destroyer (interesting info is only on second and third picture of this paragraph - first one is only for you to navigate in "history book")
Władcy Żywiołów = Elemental Lords

I believe that the "Plane of Death" (it is a nickname given by Gauldoth after all) was the Kreegan-devastated. I'm not sure if the Kreegan world Necros was banished to is the Fiery Realm and he went to the "Plane of Death" after that or is the Fiery Realm is the "Plane of Death" itself.

It is rather not Fiery Moon - I don't remember that Fiery Moon was cold place and that plane was (that is why I asked about text of this dimension in English).