News Supression Pact

[Rhutobello]

Veldrynus at 2006-01-30 01:16 wrote:

In don't believe that Ubisoft will release a more flawed than average game. They can and will decide on their own, if they need to delay it. No need for this pathetic and childish fan protest.



Well if you think that way, why do we protest on anything (in general)? Most of the time people protest ageinst stronger oponents, and many times they will be heard, maybe not win but changes made.



of course there are danger to do such action, it can split a community if not done right, but I strongly belive they have done it right this time, due to those 2 latest 3DO,s (MM and MoMM) titles they need a strong release to get back on track.

[Gyx]

Hi All!

I signed the petition earlier with the argument that if you buy a car, you don't want the steering wheel delivered three weeks later. (=patches & updates) IMO, Ubisoft whishes to revamp the HoMM series. Good for them. The only way to do this, is by releasing a quality product! The disappointing Heroes IV made it clear, that even a HoMM game needs good development. So, try and imagine their situation: if they release a bad product, interest in the brand will decline and they can write off their investment on the name, brand & dark messiah in one turn. So, in effect, I assume they will use the free publicity to announce that they WILL make the necessary adjustments. After all, they have a bigger interest than just this 1 title. That said, I want to complement Angelspit and the operators of the other sites, not only for their hard work for the HoMM community in general, but also for making this stand. If Ubisoft takes advantage of all this "turmoil", they might be able to turn it into something positive. That would also be in their own interest. The signal has been sent, if we as fans agree or not.

[Sikon]

The disappointing Heroes IV made it clear, that even a HoMM game needs good development.

Even? Any game needs good development, and a game as complex as Heroes especially needs good development.

[Gyx]

Well, Gamespot announced that the effort paid of, as a result of the online petition. Congrats, everyone involved. It seems Ubisoft listened.

[hahakocka]

I agree to delya the game but disagrree the strongly therat to Ubisoft and that the game will release at the begining of Summer I want it in April or July if it eill release amd sholud be far more better thamt this beta and with none bugs.

[Veldrynus]

Well if you think that way, why do we protest on anything (in general)? Most of the time people protest ageinst stronger oponents, and many times they will be heard, maybe not win but changes made.

Good question. There are psychological reasons behind it. Basically, we protest because we want to be heard, and there are no better solutions for a problem. Yes, the opponent is EVERY time the stronger. This means, most times the protests have no positive results. But even if we know that it is hopeless we still do it, because this way we release some tension . It is a natural thing.

@ Vision
(Ok, my original message was edited by the mods, so I try to be more diplomatic here)
Sorry, I don't really need your advice on how to manage my life. Some people might think that you're trying to insult me. But this isn't true, we know it. You respect me, like a faithful minion respects his master. For your joy, I am announcing it now: Yes, I have a life ! No need for worries.

[Malicen]

I just hope that all this will somehow make Ubisoft delay the game. Good move. Just keep on with good work.

[Gaidal Cain]

Mod Note: Vision and Vel are both to stop insulting eachother. Now.

[MT Silver]

I think this is great. I feel this might work.

Oh and Corribus, you rock ^^

[Corribus]

The example with Vioxx, isn't really relevant here. Bad publicity in pharmaceutical business is FATAL.

But Veldrynus, I thought it was a rule? That's my whole point, so Vioxx is quite relevant. You can't say something is a RULE and then start making all types of exceptions to it. That's what we call backpedalling. By your own admission, there is indeed such a thing as bad publicity. And just because it is more likely to occur in an industry such as the pharmaceutical industry, that does not preclude the possibility that it can occur in other industries such as the game industry, provided the circumstances favor it. Which they do in the case of Heroes.

[Bandobras Took]

Sometimes its better to just say nothing, now you look like the other 100s of idiots, who thought they made a point by saying this sort of thing.

I was just making a point. a bunch of whiners (I have nothing against alternate opinions though) coming from nowhere to criticize.

the point was: new members of the hommunity show their faces when the community expresses concern about the game's current state. and what do the new members do? side with the company, not the community. THIS is what bothers me, not your homm history, not the amount of posts, not anything to that extent.

That whole argument is rather flawed, given that the Celestial Heavens Forums recently reset just about everybody's posts to 0. I had well over eight hundred, from patient posting and replying to topics where I felt I had something to say, but that credibility's gone.

To wit: almost everybody's going to look like a new member unless they've been doing ridiculous spamming and one-line agreement posts.

[Vision]

There's the sarcasm! WOOT!



Thats the Veld we all know (or hear about)! Schweet

[theLuckyDragon]

That whole argument is rather flawed, given that the Celestial Heavens Forums recently reset just about everybody's posts to 0. I had well over eight hundred, from patient posting and replying to topics where I felt I had something to say, but that credibility's gone.

I think you're referring to the fact that post counts were reset when the site moved, right? If that's what you're referring to, then why do you say that "that credibility's gone"? The site moved, everyone's post counts were reset! You didn't expect the mods to start looking up everybody's post count on the old RT and set them here, did you?

[Veldrynus]

@ Corribus

Ok, this isn't some universally corect rule, but it works almost perfectly in the entertainement business, wich means we can use it in this case too. No need to argue about the exact meaning of the word 'rule' here. It is irrelevant.

[Corribus]

No need to argue about the exact meaning of the word 'rule' here. It is irrelevant.

Of course it is.

[gman]

What is this save heroes idiocy ?

Nival and Ubisoft have already saved heroes.

We need to make more noise about heroes not do stupid things like this --

"As of 2pm GMT today (Sunday 29th) administrators of the major Heroes of Might and Magic fan sites around the world have signed a News Suppression Pact in protest to a premature release of Heroes of Might and Magic 5."

"As an action of protest, following this announcement, no news or updates will be posted on our web sites. Additionally, Heroes of Might and Magic 5 information will be removed from our web sites."

(taken from the website
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/)

Supressing news about a game is no way to get people interested in it and sell it.

You dont say hey lets not do any marketing or promotion lets just wipe all news about this game off our websites and keep quiet about it, yeah that'll really sell it.

the game should be advertised everywhere amazon.com play.com www.game.net etc and there should be news and screenshots, articles, everywhere.

they had the right idea with the screenshots and trailers on gamespot these show the game is awesome.

If you want to kill heroes off carry on with this save heroes crap and wipe all info about it off your "fan" websites.

Yeah that'll really save heroes.

As a final point, sure i dont want to play a buggy crap game either so i think it shouldnt be released until its ready but i think Nival and Ubisoft can decide this for themselves.

[Veldrynus]

@ Corribus

LOL

[Gaidal Cain]

Unlike what some people believe, the fan sites aren't Ubisofts marketing stands. They're in their full right to do what they wish with their content. Apparantly, they felt that if HeroesV is released at the end of March, it will be in such a state that the series will be dead anyway, and figured it better to go out with a bang than slowly fade away. And Ubisoft/Nival seems to have gone a long way towards saving heroes, but if they can't finish the job, all they've done so far will have been for naught.

[niteshade6]

Hmm....I was all for the intitial petition and push to delay the game. But I think this is going too far, too fast. Especially given the news that H5 is already being delayed past what was originally announced, and no new release date has been set. You should at least give them some time to let you know what the new release date is before you engage in something like this. I've been a huge fan of this website for years, but I think this is just reactionary grandstanding.

[Rhutobello]

Gman wrote.

If you want to kill heroes off carry on with this save heroes crap and wipe all info about it off your "fan" websites.



Yeah that'll really save heroes.



Well of course you must be allowed to have an opinion.



I hope you allow other to have one too.



How many games have been pushed out befor they are finish and then tried saved with early pathes?



Did you like HoMM 4 when it was released? did you feel it lacked something? What about other games?



Shall we gamer agree with this way to do thing...shall we let the company make fool off us all? or aren't we a fool when we agree that a game must be released as early as possible and then slow be plastered together?



For the first time some gamers have taken a stand...let them....disagree with them...it's your right....start a site an promote an unfinish game...that is also your right.....but...with this.. maybe for once the gamingindustry start belive that the gamers not only are a bunch of fools....maybe there are some thinking persons among them!!