Dangers of getting to much into RPG games

[DaemianLucifer]

I apparantly I mustve made my point unclear I know that there are painkillers and I also know some of whats in them Im not talking about those Im talking about the ones sold ilegally.

They offer something good as well.They are as dangerous as video games.

Are you saying you believe cigarettes are good for you?

If you smoke one cigarette weekly,yup,it can be good for you.It relaxes.

[ThunderTitan]

I dont want drugs, alchohol, or cigarettes legal.

And what gives you the right to enforce your opinions on others?!
Heck, drugs got outlawed cause white ppl were afraid that the colored would used them to convince white women to sleep with them. They actualy argued that in court.

If you smoke one cigarette weekly,yup,it can be good for you.It relaxes.

Just not for your lungs. And you'd be better of smoking something that doesn't have nicotine in it....

[Mytical]

Now I will not state if I am for or against the legalization of controlled substance or whatever, but lets look at some things.

Legalizing certain drugs would a) free up all the billions and billions we spend on fighting what has so far been a loosing battle. 2) Allow the government to collect taxes on all this and instead of putting money in the hands of the criminals put it into the hands of well criminals (the government) but at least cut the deficite some (maybe lol). 3) actually prevent some people who get into it just because it is something 'wrong' from actually getting in to it. (Yes some people actually try it just because it is considered wrong for the 'thrill'). 4) actually help us control all this junk and after we have all the control we can then if we decide cut it off. A wise man once said when fighting an undefeatable foe, sometimes the best way is from the inside.

Prostitution - more tax money, good chance of less rape (though rape is not about sex it might actually cut it down in some cases), and before you say anything about sexist or such I did not say that all prostitutes had to be female.

Lets look at a place like amsterdam. Has it turned into hades on earth? No actually crime is almost nil. Go figure.

[ThunderTitan]

Now I will not state if I am for or against the legalization of controlled substance or whatever, but lets look at some things.

Coward.

And i remember some article that said how Anstardam has 80% more police then some US town... yeah, quite a price to pay for selling drugs, especialy since the US doesn't have that problem.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Now in the instance you give you say that you incapacitated the person before killing him. Then you would probably not be legally justified in killing him.

My point exactly.

Not so. People kill in prison too. Prison guards who are trying to make a living for their families and to protect society get killed every year in prisons. Non murderer convicts are also killed by convicted murderers every year too.

It is really quite easy to make a weapon out of virtually anything. You can also strangle someone with your bare hands.

That convicted murderer can alo potentially escape and if he does the odds are great that he will kill the first person that he thinks he can get transportation from.

GOW

Like i said, a better prison system is needed. The death penalty is only the easiest way, and the one that doesn't really deal with the root of the problem. Murder is still around, even if in the past the death penalty wasn't even questioned.

An imprisoned death row inmate is not incapacitated. In Texas death row inmates are allowed outsided their cells in a small recreation yard for 1 hour per day (this was legislated by a judge.) They are escorted in handcuffs by 2 correctional officers to the recreation yard and to the shower and to the infirmiry, visitation room, a bench warrent, or whereever else they have to go. They are escorted with their hands behind their backs.

Yet still every year death row inmates manage to attack officers while they are being escorted (some people can break handcuffs or slip out of them. Perhaps if you saw the pictures of an officer who had her throat cut as well as other injuries this year you would begin to realize that incarcerated murderers even in a maximum security prison are very very dangerous.

Homemade knives (shanks) can be made out of anything. Spears can be made out of anything (even toilet paper.) Officers sometimes get speared as they walk by cell doors. Only a very small opening in the door is needed (like grating on the cell door.)

Besides those types of weapons, urine and feces are thrown on officers, which subjects them to contracting all manner of diseases.

So how would you incapacitate convicted murderers so they are not a threat to officers, other inmates, or to society (by potentially escaping.)

How would you deal with the "root of the problem?" Education is not the answer. Murderers come from all walks of society. Rich. Poor. Master's Degrees, grade school dropouts.

The root of the problem is in the individual, not in society. I will accept no excuses from the murderer or anyone defending his actions.

GOW

[Omega_Destroyer]

I give this topic about 2 more days before it's locked.

[Corelanis]

I dont have the right to force my opinion on others, I never said I did I was voicing an opinion nothing more.

[ThunderTitan]

How would you deal with the "root of the problem?" Education is not the answer. Murderers come from all walks of society. Rich. Poor. Master's Degrees, grade school dropouts.
GOW

A degree doesn't tell me much about your upbringing. Being rich doesn't guarantee a happy childhood.

Or do you belive in natural born killers?

Yet still every year death row inmates manage to attack officers while they are being escorted (some people can break handcuffs or slip out of them.

How does this help your case for the death penalty?!

I dont have the right to force my opinion on others

Forcing ppl not to take drugs by making it illegal is forcing your opinion on them. And before you say that ppl on drugs might hurt others, so could ppl that aren't on drugs, and it would still be illegal, no matter what your on.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

How would you deal with the "root of the problem?" Education is not the answer. Murderers come from all walks of society. Rich. Poor. Master's Degrees, grade school dropouts.
GOW

A degree doesn't tell me much about your upbringing. Being rich doesn't guarantee a happy childhood.

Or do you belive in natural born killers?

There are murders from good families and from bad. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Murderers are murders because they have made themselves into murders. That is what they have chosen. Criminals in general are very selfish, self centered people who what they want when they want it and take illegal actions to get it.

As I have said before, I am who I have chosen to become. Only I can make me become something else. I am completeley responsible for who I am and what I do. Don't blame my parents, books, movies, video games, TV, or anything else.

Yet still every year death row inmates manage to attack officers while they are being escorted (some people can break handcuffs or slip out of them.

How does this help your case for the death penalty?!

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It helps my cause by saying it is impossible to keep convicted murderers alive without deliberately putting the lives of innocent people in danger. Convicted murderers can and do attack and kill innocent people in and out of prison every year. How can you justify allowing that to continue?

I have no sympathy for murderers. They took away an innocent persons life. They stole a mother, father, son, daughter, sister, brother from someone. They may have killed the families only or main breadwinner. Reguardly, they have inflicted a grievious wound on that entire family and that persons friends and maybe on whatever business he worked for and thus many other lives too.

GOW

[winterfate]

I have no sympathy for murderers. They took away an innocent persons life. They stole a mother, father, son, daughter, sister, brother from someone. They may have killed the families only or main breadwinner. Reguardly, they have inflicted a grievious wound on that entire family and that persons friends and maybe on whatever business he worked for and thus many other lives too.

GOW

Maybe so, but two wrongs don't make a right, at least in my opinion. Innocent people get executed all the time, too. So, the reason I'm against the death penalty is because it can be exploited (money is power...power is everything...unfortunately ). As for the criminals who really did murder, the death penalty is the easy way out anyway, IMO.

[ThunderTitan]

There are murders from good families and from bad. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

I'm sure most psychologists would disagree.

It helps my cause by saying it is impossible to keep convicted murderers alive without deliberately putting the lives of innocent people in danger. Convicted murderers can and do attack and kill innocent people in and out of prison every year. How can you justify allowing that to continue?

I have no sympathy for murderers. They took away an innocent persons life. They stole a mother, father, son, daughter, sister, brother from someone. They may have killed the families only or main breadwinner. Reguardly, they have inflicted a grievious wound on that entire family and that persons friends and maybe on whatever business he worked for and thus many other lives too.

GOW

Impossible?! Your problem is that you're a bit too sure of that. But if it wasn't, would you still want the death penalty?

And you speak as if all murderers don't have a family and all the victims were innocent. Criminal do kill one another. Victims are sometimes without family. But i guess it's easier to generalize.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

It helps my cause by saying it is impossible to keep convicted murderers alive without deliberately putting the lives of innocent people in danger. Convicted murderers can and do attack and kill innocent people in and out of prison every year. How can you justify allowing that to continue?

I have no sympathy for murderers. They took away an innocent persons life. They stole a mother, father, son, daughter, sister, brother from someone. They may have killed the families only or main breadwinner. Reguardly, they have inflicted a grievious wound on that entire family and that persons friends and maybe on whatever business he worked for and thus many other lives too.

GOW

Impossible?! Your problem is that you're a bit too sure of that. But if it wasn't, would you still want the death penalty?

And you speak as if all murderers don't have a family and all the victims were innocent. Criminal do kill one another. Victims are sometimes without family. But i guess it's easier to generalize.

Yes, it is impossible to prevent murderers from posing a danger to others unless you lock them in an escape proof cell with absolutely no openings and never ever let them come out for any reason. If they are laying down on their cell floor (monitor them with a camera that can't be destroyed) and acting like they are sick or having a heart attack and you go in the cell to help them they may be faking and come up with a homemade knife of choke you with their bare hands.

As long as they draw breath they are a threat to somebody...the prison guards, other prison workers (nurses, mail room workers, ect), other convicts, or to society if they should escape.

GOW

[Corribus]

Hmm, off topic much?

[DaemianLucifer]

@Grumpy Old Wizard
You are still confusing a reason with excuse.Those are two completelly different things.And yes,its society that makes murderers,nothing else.No matter if they are rich or poor,its their upbringing that makes 70% of who they are.

[ThunderTitan]

Yes, it is impossible to prevent murderers from posing a danger to others unless you lock them in an escape proof cell with absolutely no openings and never ever let them come out for any reason.
GOW

Bet you'd think flying boats are an imposibility if you lived in the 17th century.

[Vlad976]

And the winner of this discussion is... No one. Now go cool off.