Snow

[ThunderTitan]

You're the one who talked about boycott here artuchix, Vel didn't. I don't know who is to blame for the missing snow in the original game, but be it nival or the marketing of ubisoft, it's lame.

I guess it took them too long to make white terrain, so they just left all the snow terrain objects in there hidden (look for the snow-mod discussion).

Even if they just went: "It's the Dwarfs terrain, lets leave it out untill we introduce them!" it's still stupid, it's just bloody terrain, not exactly an uber-feature.

[theLuckyDragon]

@ Expansions
From my point of view, Civ4, for example, didn't need Warlords to be "completed and expanded". Sure, it has some neat new features. But three big fat patches that improved performance, balanced gameplay and added minor stuff were more than enough to make it as close to perfect as a Civ game ever was, IMO.

Now, just for the sake of asking a rhethorical question: why wasn't that possible with H5?

[DaemianLucifer]

IMO, it is what expansions are for: Completing and expanding the game. I can't even imagine some games without theme. It feels like they are uncomplete.

No,they are only expanding the game,not completenig it.They are colad expansions,not complete editions.

In fact, it is the same like 3D0/NWC. Why did they add combination artifacts in expansion when they could easily put theme into original. Why did the add object-brushes in expansions. Why did the gice Campaign editor in expansion? Why did they add peasants in expansion?

Because that thing was never implemented before and they had to think of it first.Snow,on the other hand,was.

This is what *I* dont understand. Is there some general understanding about what features have to be in a heroes game? Like certain terrain, amount of this and that? Did I miss something here?

Ok,then lets make heroes an RTS,and lets make no humans,no elves,no dragons and no dwarves.Furthermore,lets ditch all the resources except for the gold.And it will still be a heroes game,right?Because it will be named that by the developers and their word is the law.

[Veldrynus]

Don't waste your time trying to explain something to JJ. He is defending the game like his own. Even if the next expansion will make the computers explode, he will tell you, it's a nice feature and Ubisoft rulez!

[DaemianLucifer]

I especially like how he now defends dracogedon which he so heathedly bashed before FoH

[Veldrynus]

I guess he is only doing what he's payed for.

[DaemianLucifer]

No,it must be something else.Sir charles doesnt do that.He is at least consistent.

[The Mad Dragon]

DL, it's HoF, not FoH

[DaemianLucifer]

It will forever remain Farmers of Hate to me

[Kilop]

another whinner on these forums ??
that is too much whinnage, I can t stand it. you win DL, I quit, too srong too fast now with help...
I quit this forum, have a lot of fun and cu for next expansion/major patch

[DaemianLucifer]

Actually V was here long before me

[Humakt]

Don't see where where the problem is? These games are DESIGNED to feel incomplete. Why implementing all ideas in the original release? How about using some of them as an excuse to SELL a few expansions ? This way the same game can be sold twice or even more times!

You sound like that's not common practice.....

3DO did that with H3 (no RMG, lame Chronicles) and H4 (no AI, lame expansions) too. I'm pretty sure NWC had little to say about the matter.

EDIT: OK, they propably weren't designed to lack but instead just hurried, propably HV is such a case too.

[Eternor]

Speaking about future expansions and hidden content:

[Bloodstar]

Don't see where where the problem is? These games are DESIGNED to feel incomplete. Why implementing all ideas in the original release? How about using some of them as an excuse to SELL a few expansions ? This way the same game can be sold twice or even more times!

You sound like that's not common practice.....

3DO did that with H3 (no RMG, lame Chronicles) and H4 (no AI, lame expansions) too. I'm pretty sure NWC had little to say about the matter.

EDIT: OK, they propably weren't designed to lack but instead just hurried, propably HV is such a case too.

I think that lot's of things just didn't make it in this release...

But, No. 1 stupidity on part of Nival is droping description of heroes when you making selections of towns... I would just hang them for that!
You must be really stupid to "forget" that.

And about NWC. NWC was God Send company compared to Nival!!!

[vhilhu]

uh? is it something official?

[Wildbear]

omg

So that's why the orcs of DM aren't green but yellowish...

The End Of The World! GONG! The End Of The World!

[Elvin]

@Humakt
3DO did what?The game was complete when it came out and the expansions made it even better.They intruduced new content,creatures,a new(well...) town,rmg which was not present in previous heroes.It even had plenty of maps to play and few imbalances.AI was a lot better than H4 and H5.Nival began anew and managed to make some heroes features inferior of a those of a 1998 game.No matter how many good things they have done their way of thinking,pace of patching,removing features and not implementing others is repulsive.

@Eternor
So if you had to guess at its nature?A dwelling perhaps?

[Blackrazor]

OK, i know i'm the two-post noob here, but...

Doesnt it seem a bit... 'sad' to get upset over not having the terrain you were expecting until the expansion pack out? I mean seriously guys, its a terrain, it affects your heroes movement in some manner, it looks different, and it makes a different sound. Its hardly something to lie face down in your pillow, crying yourself to sleep over...

Other than the bugs, i'm reasonably happy with H5. The only major improvement i'd really LOVE to see by the time H6 comes around, is accurate troop number representation. Sort of like Medieval : Total War II - if you had 5 dragons, it'd show 5 dragons. If you had 2000 peasants, it'd SHOW 2000 peasants.

Imagine how cool it would be to see 20 or so giants wading into a few hundred small archers and laying waste in full lifelike 3D! <sigh>

[Elvin]

It's not just the feature.Having played H5 from 1.0 they have many reasons to be upset and anything that shows sloppy/cheap/incomplete/money grubbing implementation is enough to set them off

[Humakt]

@Humakt
3DO did what?The game was complete when it came out and the expansions made it even better.They intruduced new content,creatures,a new(well...) town,rmg which was not present in previous heroes.It even had plenty of maps to play and few imbalances.

AB was OK but SOD was pretty shallow expansion. And Chronicles added nothing at all. H3 had quite a few imbalances as well, especially Conflux and Necropolis not to mention some spells were overpowered (Dimension Door, Town Portal) while some were close to useless (Magic Mirror, Protection from Water). You are right about RMG though, I thought I've heard H2 PoL have RMG but I guess I was wrong.

People, don't confuse 3DO to NWC. M&M games were created by NWC. 3DO managed to develop mainly rather bad games like Army Men series, and in general they thought quantity was better than quality. That's why they went bankrupt, unfortunately NWC fell with 3DO.