Renegade Faction?

Dublex · Unread postby **Dublex** » 18 Nov 2006, 17:43

I just bought Hammers of Fate today, and is this "Renegade" Haven facion just a bunch of different Haven units?

I just thought I would ask as I see Fortress is in as an actual selection, but I was wondering when the renegades show up.

This is for people who have played for more than about 20 mins which is what I've done from time of posting.

arturchix · Unread postby **arturchix** » 18 Nov 2006, 18:19

Spoilers below

Renegade units are the very same Haven units - Isabel has declared herself as a Saint and managed to upgrade her army, wearing red label. Isabel with these new troops is fighting against others who oppose there - the rebels. It's interesting that we were lead to believe that the red units are rebels.

Mod note: Not all layouts has a white background, so I changed the spoiler to small letters- hit "quote" to read it. GC

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 18 Nov 2006, 21:15

arturchix wrote:Spoilers below

Renegade units are the very same Haven units - Isabel has declared herself as a Saint and managed to upgrade her army, wearing red label. Isabel with these new troops is fighting against others who oppose there - the rebels. It's interesting that we were lead to believe that the red units are rebels.

No we were not.If you followed the development carefully it was easy to figure out that red units are isabels evil lackeys and normal have is good rebels.

arturchix · Unread postby **arturchix** » 18 Nov 2006, 21:29

Heh, an interesting way to post spoilers.

Well, I haven't read too many previews then - I knew that there will be a rebellion in the storyline and that new Haven troops will be available, using red label, so it's quite natural to assume that they are the rebels. :o)

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 18 Nov 2006, 22:06

Unless you check their stats and see that they are utterly evil.And you remember that isabel turned evil and godric rebeled against her.

Paradox · Unread postby **Paradox** » 19 Nov 2006, 01:34

erm, from everything ive been readin, we were led to believe the red guys where bad.... so dont say otherwise cause thats just stupid :/

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 19 Nov 2006, 05:27

They are not saying the red guys are not bad, but that since Isabel is the 'queen' any units opposing her would be labeled the 'rebels'. Just revisionist history like a lot of places have

. You win, the others are the bad guys and you get to make that history. They win, you are the bad guys, and they get to make that history. Simple really, been done hundreds of times, the winner always is the one who 'prints' the 'news' and can slant it anyway they want.

DaemianLucifer · Unread postby **DaemianLucifer** » 19 Nov 2006, 06:10

Mytical wrote:They are not saying the red guys are not bad, but that since Isabel is the 'queen' any units opposing her would be labeled the 'rebels'. Just revisionist history like a lot of places have . You win, the others are the bad guys and you get to make that history. They win, you are the bad guys, and they get to make that history. Simple really, been done hundreds of times, the winner always is the one who 'prints' the 'news' and can slant it anyway they want.

Ah but this isnt real history,this is HV,and we know that here there are only good and bad people,no in-between ones

Sir_Toejam · Unread postby **Sir_Toejam** » 19 Nov 2006, 06:34

the red guys are being sequestered and attacked by rebel forces.

ergo, since you as the player are forced into working for Isabel, and Isabel as we know from the original is bad, and the red guys join you when you save them from the rebels... the red guys are the bad guys as far as this storyline is concerned.

no doubt about it.

Agnus Dei · Unread postby **Agnus Dei** » 19 Nov 2006, 09:35

Just look at the names the Renegades have. Fallen angel with lifesteal is surely quite the nice guy.

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