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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 14:04

Ethric wrote:The world has indeed not crumbled because of pirating software and similar. Not has it crumbled from a staggering number of wars, nuclear weapons and pizza with sardines. Your argument is pointless, it's like saying piracy isn't wrong because the sky hasn't turned green. There is no connection.
Well duuuuuuhhhhhhh! Way to go, you've got an A on your exam! But guess what, these things also DO NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO PIRACY:

rape, unsafe sex, kill, kidnap... and all other stupid things that many of you wrote here.

You know what. I don't know if most of you here can see how pointless your arguments are, man you're talking about some serious things and compare them to piracy. Piracy KILLED NO ONE, piracy RAPED NO ONE.

So you're telling me I'm a thief, OK I am. Please tell me where the price on torrent site is so I'm going to pay for the download.
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Unread postby Kalah » 12 May 2006, 14:12

Technically, you're not a thief; the guy who made the stuff available for download is. It's only a matter of definition whether downloading copyrighted material is a criminal offence or not; in Norway it is - in other countries it may not be. Do you know if it's illegal in Serbia?
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 14:15

Malicen wrote:You know what. I don't know if most of you here can see how pointless your arguments are, man you're talking about some serious things and compare them to piracy. Piracy KILLED NO ONE, piracy RAPED NO ONE.
That argument isnt walid.Rape killed no one,yet it is a serious crime,and caused serious pain to the victom.Theft killed no one,yet it is a serious crime,and causes serious problems to the victom.Murder raped no one,yet it is a serious crime and causes the end of life to the victom.You cannot compare crimes.

Piracy is a crime.Yet,from the moral point,patenting is a crime as well.Imagine that you were the one that patented the wheel.Now everyone has to pay you for making even the simplest wheel out of stone.Where is the line drawn between things that are ok to prevent to someone from using and things that arent?

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Unread postby Wildbear » 12 May 2006, 14:18

Kalah wrote:the guy who made the stuff available for download is.
That's a good point, since the game is not available in stores the original torrent is most probably a stolen copy of it.
Now it makes things harder, why is it wrong to take it from that ###### thief!? :lol:
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 14:22

Kalah wrote:Technically, you're not a thief; the guy who made the stuff available for download is. It's only a matter of definition whether downloading copyrighted material is a criminal offence or not; in Norway it is - in other countries it may not be. Do you know if it's illegal in Serbia?
Yes.For a year or so,piracy is illegal.But,you cannot completely abolish something that even the goverment used in such a short period of time.

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Unread postby HodgePodge » 12 May 2006, 14:27

Kalah wrote:Technically, you're not a thief; the guy who made the stuff available for download is.
Thank you Kalah; this is exactly the point. No amount of copy protection would have prevented this kind of theft. UbiSoft & the company doing the mass copying should be investigating how & by whom this leak was accomplished, so it could be avoided in the future.
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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 14:32

Kalah wrote:Technically, you're not a thief; the guy who made the stuff available for download is.
Yes, and stealing from a thief is not a crime. And Robin Hood stole from the wealthy and gave it to poor. Well in this case that guy (who might be a game developer or his son, or his who knows what...) is Robin Hood. Don't tell me those companies are not wealthy. I know that someone smart will find this argument.
Kalah wrote:It's only a matter of definition whether downloading copyrighted material is a criminal offence or not; in Norway it is - in other countries it may not be. Do you know if it's illegal in Serbia?
Well you see you live in Norway that is by far the highest standard of living country in Europe, and every day I would swich places with you. BUT Serbia is a country that has few or no laws. Thieves rule here you know. You can kill someone and you'll end up in jail accused for a month or two. So downloading copyrighted material is not under any laws in Serbia, so I'm not a thief.

If others think I am. Well that is your problem. But I would switch places with anyone of you if I could. I would buy the fuc*ing game if I could, if there was a single shop that could sell it. And I cannot order it via internet because most online stores DO NOT ship to Serbia. I played every damn Heroes game there is and I own not a single legal copy. Sorry. I would if I could. And I like to play games, it is just stronger than me. :)
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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 14:33

DaemianLucifer wrote:Yes.For a year or so,piracy is illegal.But,you cannot completely abolish something that even the goverment used in such a short period of time.
No it's NOT. Do you really live in Serbia. It is ILLEGAL to sell copies, but it is not illegal to own them. As long as I'm not making money out of it, I'm not doing any criminal acts. And trust me, I won't sell it. But people will probably borrow it from me.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 14:39

Malicen wrote:
DaemianLucifer wrote:Yes.For a year or so,piracy is illegal.But,you cannot completely abolish something that even the goverment used in such a short period of time.
No it's NOT. Do you really live in Serbia. It is ILLEGAL to sell copies, but it is not illegal to own them. As long as I'm not making money out of it, I'm not doing any criminal acts. And trust me, I won't sell it. But people will probably borrow it from me.
Owning narcotics is not illegal in most western countries,only distributing them is.But if the polices finds you with a kilo of marijuana,do you think they will beleive youre not a distributer?

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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 14:42

DaemianLucifer wrote:Owning narcotics is not illegal in most western countries,only distributing them is.But if the polices finds you with a kilo of marijuana,do you think they will beleive youre not a distributer?
Of course not silly boy. But if they catch you do the following.
Tell them it's for your personal use. they have not caught you in the act when you are selling that to someone so they have no evidence. You can see that on TV, both in movies and in those shows that are telling you how some people cheated the law. :)
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 14:47

Malicen wrote:Of course not silly boy. But if they catch you do the following.
Tell them it's for your personal use. they have not caught you in the act when you are selling that to someone so they have no evidence. You can see that on TV, both in movies and in those shows that are telling you how some people cheated the law. :)
Id really like to see you cheat out of our laws.There might be few of them,but they are pretty harsh.Even now,in "democracy",this is still a police state.

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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 14:51

DaemianLucifer wrote:Id really like to see you cheat out of our laws.There might be few of them,but they are pretty harsh.Even now,in "democracy",this is still a police state.
No this is still a crime state, where corruption is sooooo wild that EVERYTHING is FOR SALE.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 15:02

Malicen wrote:No this is still a crime state, where corruption is sooooo wild that EVERYTHING is FOR SALE.
Not for an ordinary person.

But we drifted here way off topic.

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Unread postby Malicen » 12 May 2006, 15:05

DaemianLucifer wrote:Not for an ordinary person.
Noy indeed. But everything can be bought.
DaemianLucifer wrote:But we drifted here way off topic.
Indeed. Let's continue our squalor what's right or wrong.
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Unread postby Ethric » 12 May 2006, 15:11

Wildbear wrote:I disagree with you Ethric, a crime has to be named and defined by law before you can blame anyone for it.
That would be true if I was a judge about to pass sentence. Then I would have to use the proper terminology. Why does it matter in this debate about whether or not pirating is wrong if I call it theft (which I think it is), as opposed to copyright violation or somesuch term? Anywho, theft is to take someone else's property against their will. Copyrighted material is property.
Malicen wrote: You know what. I don't know if most of you here can see how pointless your arguments are, man you're talking about some serious things and compare them to piracy. Piracy KILLED NO ONE, piracy RAPED NO ONE.
Well Mr Duuuuuh, for any crime there will be a crime that is worse. That does not in any way make the less serious crime any less of a crime. If your argument held, it would mean you could rob a bank and tell the judge that it wasn't like you killed anyone, and get acquited. You could kill a person and get acquited because you didn't kill two people.

And just because you aren't the one who stole the software originally, you are still aquireing stolen property.
HodgePodge wrote:No amount of copy protection would have prevented this kind of theft. UbiSoft & the company doing the mass copying should be investigating how & by whom this leak was accomplished, so it could be avoided in the future.
That seems a bit beside the point. If someone hadn't stolen it now, it would anyway have been distributed for illegal downloading as soon as the game was for sale officially.
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Unread postby Arzang » 12 May 2006, 15:16

Pitsu wrote:If you buy a lot of cars you finally need to hire someone else to drive them and the gas / warranty bills will be enormous. The question now: how many cars you really need, how many can you affor, and how many would you like to have?
um. the way I see it that goes against you. but maybe I wasn't clear enough;

my view on this is that you SHOULD buy games but only to a certain extent. I don't think games need to be a major part of someone's budget.

but if a company makes a great game they deserve to get money for it. especially if they need every penny. so piracy isn't bad, but if someone who can afford H5 without a serious strain on his economy pirates H5 and sits down and plays it for a long time, and at the same time knows that it's important to show that homm games still have a fanbase, well then that's one thing. pirating random games is another thing.
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you wrote this after quoting me on that whole "rape is far worse than theft" thing. I seriously hope that you don't mean that rape and theft can be compared.

sure take my passport, get me deported to iran so I must join the army or whatever. but I truly feel for women (and men) who get raped.
Bandobras Took wrote:It wasn't meant to be. I was serious. I said the difference was only one of degree, not of kind. Both acts believe that a person's own immediate gratification is better than the well-being of others.
First of all; if I rape someone, I can't say that it's okay since I am going to marry her later on. why? because she wouldn't marry me. and you DO know that a husband can rape his wife right?

downloading this game though is something different and let me tell you why; I am downloading the game before it's released and I will pay upon release. I have not damaged ubi or nival in any way before the purchase (unlike rape) and I can still make the purchase (unlike rape).

the act IS different in kind, not in degree. think about it.
Bandobras Took wrote:As has already been mentioned in this thread, a game producer has no way to know if people who get pirated copies also buy the legal version of the game.
but when the sales figures come in he will know for sure. and I think this has more to do about antipiracy than preventing lost sales. bottom line; I think they should've sticked to starforce. this way; they'd have more reliable data.

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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 12 May 2006, 15:27

Arzang wrote:First of all; if I rape someone, I can't say that it's okay since I am going to marry her later on. why? because she wouldn't marry me. and you DO know that a husband can rape his wife right?
Im not sure in which country,but there is a law that a woman has to marry its rapist(one of the most idiotic laws Ive heard of).

Piracy is not like rape,neither is it like theft,nor murder,nor any other crime.Each crime is unique.There is only one thing that ties them.And that is that they are wrong.

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Unread postby Marzhin » 12 May 2006, 15:30

DaemianLucifer wrote:Im not sure in which country,but there is a law that a woman has to marry its rapist(one of the most idiotic laws Ive heard of).
That's horrible 8|

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Unread postby Pitsu » 12 May 2006, 15:43

Arzang wrote:
I seriously hope that you don't mean that rape and theft can be compared.
They cannot be compared in the range of "modern Westen society" ethics and certainly not in such a deeply socialist and feministic country like Sweden. This, however, does not mean that they cannot be compared at all.

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Unread postby Wolfshanze » 12 May 2006, 15:43

Okay, enough about the ethics... seems folks either are firmly against or think it's okay if you buy it. I don't see anyone changing their mind no matter which camp they are in (so it's kinda pointless to discuss something when nobody is going to change their mind).

Anyways... we all know (no matter what your opinion is), that there are folks out there who have downloaded the FULL DVD game that is out there.

For those folks, I for one would like to know what you think of the full game... what's in it, how does the AI act, etc, etc.

Any opinions on the game from those of you who have played the FULL version?!?! Inquiring minds want to know.


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