Silly names in HoMMV! ...and alternatives to them!

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Unread postby Gaidal Cain » 29 Jan 2006, 11:05

ThunderTitan wrote: Also the Dungeon just started to train Matrons to run their new brothels. We also have Deep Dragons as the unupgraded Black Dragon.
Bad, bad mental image...
And could someone please tell Nival/Ubi that Footman sound much better than Militiaman?
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 29 Jan 2006, 11:41

Gaidal Cain wrote:
You want an army of butlers on the battlefield? :|
Because Kato was one:
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Unread postby Orfinn » 29 Jan 2006, 11:53

I dont know if I should laugh or cry. Not only are some names wacky but the colors as well sespecially for the dragons. Emerald dragon is still there but with a gold dragon name. and black is just dark grey/green, even the deep dragon is blacker :wall:

I mean what is the problem with making the Black Dragon totally black?
And why the heck have they turned back with gold dragon? Emerald was great but seems that the creative genies at Nival have finally lost it .
Minotaur society is clan-based, leaders of their clans call themselves kings (Lame excuse for calling them kings, why not chieftain or leader?). They are tattooed and have deadly double-bladed axes which they use with great skill dealing two heavy blows in sequence.

Dungeon

Deep Dragon? Huh well wth arent shadow dragon good enough?

But there are som positive things changed as for the Hydra - Chaos Hydra, sounds familiar? :hoo:

Matron and Matriarch sounds cool though :)

Sylvan Some skills and spells mention Rampart, ohoh :canthear:

Green- Gold dragon only with emerald color :devious:

Unicorn is golden (by legends they are born gold) check, good
but WAR UNICORN???? what was wrong with Silver Unicorn which by legends is the right name?
:cry:

Wood Elf- Grand Elf I would prefer Hunter- Master Hunter though both name sets are great.

Treant -Treant Guarding is perfect :-D I have a nasty feeling that they will change Treant to Dendroid, focusing more on help from H3 names than using their own creative insights at Nival.

Necropolis

Nononono! DEMI LICH???? What in Tellus name was wrong with Arch Lich?
*SIGH X10*

Bone dragon- Shadow Dragon, heh well I think this was actually a good change. Or it would been two spectre named units in NP.
Mane (the mane of a horse? lol)- Ghost good enoug, good enough ;)

Walking Dead - Zombie. Yes its great but yet again they focus more on names from H3. Actually this is just as great as Zombie-Plague zombie, seriously the worst zombies are a plague arent they?

Inferno

Demon-Horned Demon?? Arent they both horned, its too obvious. Fiery Demon would be better than horned demon. ;|

Succubus- Infernal Succubus AH! Great name change, makes sense!

Nightmare- Frightful Nightmare. Hmm its good enough I suppose but the last names were just as great. ;|

Pit Fiend- Balor Ah another great name change I was afraid it would be Balrog but hey I better keep shut about that :shh:


Academy

Giant- Titan. Sigh more H3 names, it never ends ey? Colossus was much better, save the name Giant for a barbarian aligned humanoid!


Rakshasa-Rakshasa Rukh Well its good enough but what does Rukh mean? :|

Iron-Steel golem keep those names, dont.....change...no!

Haha I was right those gargoyles was able to fly not some useless juke boxes waiting for cash :D Well they arent the best 2nd lvl units though, even with fly ability :rolleyes:

Haven

Peasant-Militiman hmm makes sense, accepted.

Squire- Swordsman Knight would be trash cans on horses so this is a good change

Priest-Cleric, well I would prefer Monk-Cleric but this is a good change too.

Conclusion

Alot of wacky hick-ups when it comes to color changes and names. Returning to H3 names is not a good thing, when I saw the name "Emerald Dragon" for the first time I though :"Oh yes, something new!" But no they had to change it back to gold :cry: Emerald is a ver nice name.
There are some good name changes too creds for that but mostly there are some silly changes coming back. Make the black dragon blacker, and give the upg unicorn the name "Silver Unicorn" etc *sigh* Still theres some time befor realease, i really hope the names and colors get a last chance too change to the acceptable!
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Unread postby Gaidal Cain » 29 Jan 2006, 12:12

Don't get too riled up about the names from the open beta. They will most likely change, it's just that Nival hadn't had time for it yet...
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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 29 Jan 2006, 12:18

Shadow Witch sounded much better than Matron! And Matron is too ... well simple. They should Try Shadow Matron or something. Especialy now when the Shadow Dragon isn't part of the Dungeon anymore.

And Witch doesn't really fit the ex-Fury. They could just use Fury - Blood Fury!

Oh, and we need new sugestions for a name for the unupgraded Blackie. Deep Dragon just doesn't sound right to me.
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Unread postby Orfinn » 29 Jan 2006, 12:21

Gaidal Cain wrote:Don't get too riled up about the names from the open beta. They will most likely change, it's just that Nival hadn't had time for it yet...
I just had to clear my mind by sum up and write down those name and color changes :creative: *sigh*
I hope they will have time to change them a last time, they must!

[quote"ThunderTitan"]Oh, and we need new sugestions for a name for the unupgraded Blackie. Deep Dragon just doesn't sound right to me.[/quote]

Hmm what about Grey, Shade or Silver Dragon ;|

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Unread postby RK » 29 Jan 2006, 12:33

...war dancers? CMON!?! BLADE dancers! THERE U GO

the wood elves -> grand elves are badly depicted. they look more like a druid or a shaman, they wear so much animal fur on them. ANTLERS for archers? I don't think so.

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Unread postby Orfinn » 29 Jan 2006, 12:50

RK wrote:...war dancers? CMON!?! BLADE dancers! THERE U GO
Agreed

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the wood elves -> grand elves are badly depicted. they look more like a druid or a shaman, they wear so much animal fur on them. ANTLERS for archers? I don't think so.

Much animal furs, anthlers? Nah they look great.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 29 Jan 2006, 13:17

Gaidal Cain wrote:Don't get too riled up about the names from the open beta. They will most likely change, it's just that Nival hadn't had time for it yet...
I'm just trying to offer them alternatives. And if they continue the trend of fixing one name and ruining another all the changes in the world won't help.

Now start coming up with some better names, please.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 29 Jan 2006, 14:03

Haha!Rakshasa rukh :loll: :loll: Look at the second one!
The second meaning of rukh by wiki

Militiamen is actually one of the better names.And The cleric is maybe the best change theyve made.

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Unread postby RK » 29 Jan 2006, 14:10

Orfinn wrote:
RK wrote:...war dancers? CMON!?! BLADE dancers! THERE U GO
Agreed

@RK
the wood elves -> grand elves are badly depicted. they look more like a druid or a shaman, they wear so much animal fur on them. ANTLERS for archers? I don't think so.

Much animal furs, anthlers? Nah they look great.

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Oh ok. LOL must be the damn ears. but i still don't like their looks...they look so...soft compared to the Marksmen in Haven. I like the solid feel of Haven's troops. While the laid back....kinda messy Sylvians just not hitting the right notes with me :(

Nightmare -> Frightful Nightmare.... Sounds like they're out of ideas. Here's one!

FELSTEED -> NIGHTMARE

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Unread postby Orfinn » 29 Jan 2006, 16:03

[quote="RK"
Oh ok. LOL must be the damn ears. but i still don't like their looks...they look so...soft compared to the Marksmen in Haven. I like the solid feel of Haven's troops. While the laid back....kinda messy Sylvians just not hitting the right notes with me :(
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The sylvans live in harmony with nature, thats why they look so "soft"
But dont let their look fool you ;)

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 30 Jan 2006, 22:29

Now that the Embargo is over you can all go HERE to see the new names.


Rider? Who the heck though it was better then Raider?
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Unread postby Orfinn » 31 Jan 2006, 08:11

ThunderTitan wrote:Now that the Embargo is over you can all go HERE to see the new names.


Rider? Who the heck though it was better then Raider?
*Sigh* I see our name suggestions helped :|

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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 31 Jan 2006, 09:43

I dont know what all of you are complaining about.You all wanted the change of hell charger.Well,youve got it.Now stop comlaining :devil:

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Unread postby umfridus » 31 Jan 2006, 11:15

Why did they change Ghosts to Manes? I bet most people don't even know how to pronounce the word (/manayz/), and that it doesn't have a singular form "Mane". Also, Manes means the deified souls of dead ancestors, and those foul Necropolis creatures are anything but deified.

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Unread postby Gaidal Cain » 31 Jan 2006, 11:22

Well, from what I can tell, most names in those lists are likely to change- they've were in the closed beta as well. It's just that noone has done it yet...
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Unread postby Orfinn » 31 Jan 2006, 12:24

Heres a complete list of names ( before and after the open beta test ) that is a must to change or unsure if needed to change.

1= Previous set of names, 2= Present name changes, 3= Final names

Academy

1*Djinn (upgrade: Djinn Sultan)
2*Genie - Master Genie
3*

1*Colossus - Titan
2*Giant - Titan
3*

1*Rakshasa Rani - Rakshasa Raja
2*Rakshasa - Rakshasa Rukh
3*

Dungeon

1*Blood Sister (Upgrade: Blood Fury)
2*Witch - Blood Witch
3*

1*Minotaur Slave (Upgrade: Minotaur Guard)
2*Minotaur - Minotaur King
3*

1*Dark Raider (Upgrade: Dark Champion)
2*Rider - Ravager
3*

1*Hydra (Upgrade: Deep Hydra)
2*Hydra - Chaos Hydra
3*

1*Shadow Witch (Upgrade: Shadow Matriarch)
2*Matron Matriarch
3*

1*Shadow Dragon (Upgrade: Black Dragon)
2*Deep Dragon - Shadow Dragon
3*

Haven

1*Peasant (Upgrade: Militia Guard)
2*Peasant - Militiaman
3*

1*Squire (Upgrade: Knight)
2*Footman - Swordsman
3*

1*Priest (Upgrade: Inquisitor)
2*Priest - Cleric
3*

Inferno

1*Imp - Familiar
2*Familiar - Imp
3*

1*Horned Demon (Upgrade: Horned Overseer)
2*Demon - Horned Demon
3*

1*Succubui (Upgrade: Succubus Favorite)
2*Succubui - Infernal Succubui
3*

1*Hell Stallion (Upgrade: Nightmare)
2*Nightmare - Frightful Nightmare
3*

1*Pit Fiend (Upgrade: Pit Lord)
2*Pit Fiend - Balor
3*

Necropolis

1*Zombie (Upgrade: Plague Zombie)
2*Walking Dead - Zombie
3*

1*Ghost (Upgrade: Spectre)
2*Mane - Ghost
3*

1*Lich (Upgrade: Arch Lich)
2*Lich - Demilich
3*

1*Bone Dragon (Upgrade: Spectral Dragon)
2*Bone Dragon - Shadow Dragon
3*

Sylvan

1*Blade Dancer (upgrade: War Dancer)
2*Blade Juggler - War Dancer
3*

1*Hunter (upgrade: Master Hunter)
2*Wood Elf - Grand Elf
3*

1*Druid (upgrade: Druid Elder)
2*Druid - Druid Elder
3*

1*Unicorn (upgrade: Silver Unicorn)
2*Unicorn - War Unicorn
3*

1*Treant (upgrade: Ancient Treant)
2*Treant - Treant Guardian
3*

1*Green Dragon (upgrade: Emerald Dragon)
2*Green Dragon - Gold Dragon
3*

Puh! That took a while, copy and paste this list in your next post if you want and place your suggested unupg & upg names in the 3* line ;)

Oh and heres my suggestions (*3)..........

Academy

1*Djinn (upgrade: Djinn Sultan)
2*Genie - Master Genie
3*Djinn - Master Djinn

1*Colossus - Titan
2*Giant - Titan
3*Colossus - Titan

1*Rakshasa Rani - Rakshasa Raja
2*Rakshasa - Rakshasa Rukh
3*Rakshasa - Arcane Rakshasa

Dungeon

1*Blood Sister (Upgrade: Blood Fury)
2*Witch - Blood Witch
3*Blood Sister - Blood Witch

1*Minotaur Slave (Upgrade: Minotaur Guard)
2*Minotaur - Minotaur King
3*Minotaur Slave - Minotaur Warrior

1*Dark Raider (Upgrade: Dark Champion)
2*Rider - Ravager
3*Raider - Ravager

1*Hydra (Upgrade: Deep Hydra)
2*Hydra - Chaos Hydra
3*Hydra - Chaos Hydra

1*Shadow Witch (Upgrade: Shadow Matriarch)
2*Matron Matriarch
3*Matron - Shadow Matriarch

1*Shadow Dragon (Upgrade: Black Dragon)
2*Deep Dragon - Black Dragon
3*Adamantite (or just Adaman) Dragon - Black Dragon

Haven

1*Peasant (Upgrade: Militia Guard)
2*Peasant - Militiaman
3*Peasant - Militia

1*Squire (Upgrade: Knight)
2*Footman - Swordsman
3*Swordsman - Crusader

1*Priest (Upgrade: Inquisitor)
2*Priest - Cleric
3*Monk - Cleric

Inferno

1*Imp - Familiar
2*Familiar - Imp
3*Imp - Familiar

1*Horned Demon (Upgrade: Horned Overseer)
2*Demon - Horned Demon
3*Demon - Enflamed Demon

1*Succubui (Upgrade: Succubus Favorite)
2*Succubui - Infernal Succubui
3*Succubi - Succubi Mistress

1*Hell Stallion (Upgrade: Nightmare)
2*Nightmare - Frightful Nightmare
3*Nightmare - Infernal Nightmare

1*Pit Fiend (Upgrade: Pit Lord)
2*Pit Fiend - Balor
3*Pit Fiend Balor

Necropolis

1*Zombie (Upgrade: Plague Zombie)
2*Walking Dead - Zombie
3*Walking Dead - Zombie

1*Ghost (Upgrade: Spectre)
2*Mane - Ghost
3*Spectre - Ghost

1*Lich (Upgrade: Arch Lich)
2*Lich - Demilich
3*Lich - Archlich

1*Bone Dragon (Upgrade: Spectral Dragon)
2*Bone Dragon - Shadow Dragon
3*Bone Dragon - Ethernal Dragon

Sylvan

1*Blade Dancer (upgrade: War Dancer)
2*Blade Juggler - War Dancer
3*Blade Acrobat - Battle Dancer

1*Hunter (upgrade: Master Hunter)
2*Wood Elf - Grand Elf
3*Wood Elf - Elven Hunter

1*Druid (upgrade: Druid Elder)
2*Druid - Druid Elder
3*Druid - Elder Druid

1*Unicorn (upgrade: Silver Unicorn)
2*Unicorn - War Unicorn
3*Unicorn - Silver Unicorn

1*Treant (upgrade: Ancient Treant)
2*Treant - Treant Guardian
3*Treant - Ancient Treant

1*Green Dragon (upgrade: Emerald Dragon)
2*Green Dragon - Gold Dragon
3*Green Dragon - Emerald Dragon

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 31 Jan 2006, 13:48

Wow, that's quite a list Orfinn.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 31 Jan 2006, 13:51

@Orfinn

I like your list.Except Id live titans the way they are and the priest cleric.

Also that juggler,dancer,acrobat,whatever,needs a completely new name without any circus names in it.How about fencer->blade master?


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