HOF Creature Stats

[ThunderTitan]

Nope, that's how it should work Mysty.

[okrane]

yeah... got it now.... well I guess we would see.. still.. it is a strong ultimate

Another question.. is there a chance of dwaves doing dracogeddon... i mean, can they get armageddon in their town.. because with ignite it sounds to me that they can be a very strong DD casters

[Mytical]

From what we are told by JJ it is a possibility. Which will be sad, and people will start fussing about why the Dungeons dragons couldn't do that, and then others will start yelling about dracogeddon, and well you get the point .

[DaemianLucifer]

JJ mentioned dracogedon,so yes.

As for the ultimates,it says that when someone gets a lucky shot,it becomes ordinary.So sylvans all strikes become normal,while dwarves still benefit from luck.

[Elvin]

Well the dwarves don't have a warlock's power,their magic can be resisted and they definitely cannot have empowered lucky spells.Ignite is still good enough but can't be as fearsome.
Come to think of it the special for double resistance(luck) and armageddon could be a viable strategy if a little risky.

[Mytical]

Yes but if it is truely nulified by Absolute Luck, then wouldn't it's secondary effect also be nulified??

[DaemianLucifer]

Ah,but they can cast armagedon without risk of hurting themselves,plus ignite does tripple damage,just as lucky empowered spell,except that ignite works always.

Yes but if it is truely nulified by Absolute Luck, then wouldn't it's secondary effect also be nulified??

Who says its nullified by absolute luck?It nullifes absolute luck,not the other way round.

[Elvin]

True.Still ignite doesn't do this damage instantly and gives you some time.If they want strictly dragogeddon they won't have other units and dragons aren't easy to obtain fast.Sylvan with unicorns and academy with its abilities can protect themselves(hopefully).Inferno and haven can charge to take advantage of their initiative before ignite damages them too much.Dungeon and necropolis with cold death(and wraith's special ) can cast nice damaging spells.
I won't try to argue about how powerful these counters are but it seems to me as a not so hopeless situation.But certainly a tough call.I haven't seen runes at work yet.

[DaemianLucifer]

True.Still ignite doesn't do this damage instantly and gives you some time.If they want strictly dragogeddon they won't have other units and dragons aren't easy to obtain fast.

I remember using that argument once,but it seems that dracogedon is cheap and easilly acomplished

Sylvan with unicorns and academy with its abilities can protect themselves(hopefully).

Still they would receive some heavy damage.

Inferno and haven can charge to take advantage of their initiative before ignite damages them too much.

Charging a magma dragon doesnt seem to be the smartest thing.Especially if the hero has preparation.

[Elvin]

Don't except fully solid arguments yet I'm but a newbie with the dwarves...for now

[DaemianLucifer]

And I havent played them at all These are just some thoughts.

[okrane]

IMO dwarves have really strong perks... what happened to those lame stuff that give +1 spell power and some gold and sh**... I don't like the fact that there are new and shiny stuff with the dwarves and all the lame stuff still remain...

[Kilop]

hehehehe first hero atack def enlight logistic ligh ... second hero sorc destruc enlight logistic and war machines for first aid ... with some dragons ... hehehe and it is instant from lvl 30 on it cost the cost a the dragons + one hero ... and spammable
fun

[ThunderTitan]

Who says its nullified by absolute luck?It nullifes absolute luck,not the other way round.

The DESCRIPTION perhaps?!

[DaemianLucifer]

If you read the whole description and not just the last line youll see that its actually absolute protection that nullifies absolute luck and not vice versa.Though I agree that it could be more clear.

[vicheron]

Absolute Protection

Normal attacks against hero's creatures are always unlucky. Lucky attacks are turned to normal. If enemy has Absolute Luck perk, effects of both perks are nullified.

It is a bit confusing. Since it says that lucky attacks are turned to normal, it could mean that both perks are nullified because Absolute Luck gives 100% lucky strikes and Absolute Protection turns them all into normal attacks. It could also mean that if both perks are present, then they don't get used so that the Sylvan can still get lucky attacks based on their luck.

[DaemianLucifer]

Yes,but from what it says in the begining the most logical thing would be that it turns all the enemies attacks into normal ones.

[Mytical]

I disagree, what is logically says is that the two become null and void, and thus all their effects become null and void .

[DaemianLucifer]

No,thats what the last line says.The whole text says that it makes the elves do normal attack always.

[Mytical]

We see things differently, I refuse to argue symatics. So, for me this particular argument is moot. Anyhow, what other skills are up for debate?