Celebrating 25 Years of Might and Magic

hellegennes · Unread postby **hellegennes** » 03 Jul 2011, 11:48

"Except that for H4 they didn't even have it full screen, and that's also to be take into account..."

Same goes for Heroes II.

Kostia · Unread postby **Kostia** » 03 Jul 2011, 14:53

I've liked it!

Fans could have made something similar. That would be awesome!

Corlagon · Unread postby **Corlagon** » 03 Jul 2011, 15:12

MM VIII was also successful.

Not really. It sold badly and received the worst reviews of any MM game up to that point (aside from the 3DO spinoffs).

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 03 Jul 2011, 15:53

hellegennes wrote:>>Same goes for Heroes II.<<

Oh, so it's just the games i happened to like more then H3... i see.

jeff · Unread postby **jeff** » 03 Jul 2011, 16:09

Corlagon wrote:
MM VIII was also successful.
Not really. It sold badly and received the worst reviews of any MM game up to that point (aside from the 3DO spinoffs).

As I recall the major (not only) criticism of MMVIII, was the fact the engine was considered past its prime and that though some changes were made it was thought by many reviewers that 3DO was trying to cash in one last time before MMIX was to be released. It does not minimize to me at least that it was a fun game to play.

The snub of H-IV was not surprising as UBI snubbed it with the direction they took with H-V and regressing to a H-III style of play. To be fair a lot of people welcomed that regression, I and some others did not.

Corlagon · Unread postby **Corlagon** » 03 Jul 2011, 16:14

Please don't misinterpret - I certainly didn't say it isn't a fun game. But it definitely wasn't popular or successful or revolutionary in its time.

XEL II · Unread postby **XEL II** » 03 Jul 2011, 16:17

Corlagon wrote:
MM VIII was also successful.
Not really. It sold badly and received the worst reviews of any MM game up to that point (aside from the 3DO spinoffs).

It still wasn't a flop and is an iportant part of the series, anyway.

hellegennes · Unread postby **hellegennes** » 03 Jul 2011, 16:27

@TT:

Same here, but what are you gonna do? The reasons why H3 was the most popular deserve a full scale essay but, to epitomise, the basic reason was coincidence. If you come think of it, it added almost nothing to the gameplay of H2 and had a much inferior soundtrack. Some changes are even subtractive. The selection of ultimate artifact becomes the grail and the paper-doll restricts you from using two artifacts of the same type. Although this is more in line with RPGs' and reality, it takes away the freedom of having say two pair of boots. The other changes are just a facelift in graphics and more items (buildings, races, monsters, heroes, artifacts). So it's a bit more rounded up, but other than that featured no real departure from H2. It's more like a great expansion than a new game (different graphics aside).

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 03 Jul 2011, 16:30

Frankly i though H3 had less enjoyable graphics then H2...

Marzhin · Unread postby **Marzhin** » 03 Jul 2011, 19:19

@GreatEmerald: the footage of MM2 shown in this video comes from the DOS version, not a console version. If you look closely you'll even see the keyboard shortcuts on the screen

There are no console versions in this video (except Clash of Heroes obviously). I know it because I recorded the footage for almost all of the games featured

By the way, I did record footage of MM8 and 9 as well, but the film editor decided not to use it in the end.

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 03 Jul 2011, 19:40

Marzhin wrote:>>but the film editor decided not to use it in the end.<<

So that's who we need to take our vengeance on... any mailing address?

GreatEmerald · Unread postby **GreatEmerald** » 03 Jul 2011, 19:59

Oh, now I feel silly. I forgot that MM2 actually had pretty good graphics on DOS, too

Angelspit · Unread postby **Angelspit** » 04 Jul 2011, 00:49

Amazing work Marzhin! I loved it.

MMXAlamar · Unread postby **MMXAlamar** » 04 Jul 2011, 04:24

Where the **** is LOMM? It is clearly inspiration for Dark Messiah, and was developed by NWC.

hellegennes · Unread postby **hellegennes** » 04 Jul 2011, 07:40

@It's not the only thing missing. There is Warriors of Might and Magic, which I think is the real predecessor to DM. There were three titles in these series, although they just were three different iterations of the same game, for different gaming platforms. There were other games, too.

MMXAlamar · Unread postby **MMXAlamar** » 04 Jul 2011, 15:21

The Crusaders/Warriors/Shifters series wasn't developed by NWC. They do expand on the series including the Ancients though. That would have been a more traditional direction to take the series, as opposed to Ubi's remodeling of it if 3DO hadn't gone under.

There's also some really cool footage of LOMM (like so: http://www.youtube.com/user/2LoMM#p/u/0/uBAuTXbt_-k). Why bother showing creeping **** like Heroes Kingdoms...

Angelspit · Unread postby **Angelspit** » 04 Jul 2011, 15:36

MMXAlamar wrote:Where the **** is LOMM? It is clearly inspiration for Dark Messiah, and was developed by NWC.

Inspiration? I doubt Arkane even looked at it.

Ryder · Unread postby **Ryder** » 04 Jul 2011, 20:25

"How were MM3-4 milestones in the series?"

Come on hellegennes, you go and play MM2 (my first and favourite MM) and then go and play MM3. The change is huge. Granted, it's no MM5 to MM6 change but seeing the monsters and spells was a milestone in my book.

Ethric · Unread postby **Ethric** » 04 Jul 2011, 21:00

Nothing worth watching in the second half.

CloudRiderX · Unread postby **CloudRiderX** » 04 Jul 2011, 23:54

Thank god they didn't include Quest for the Dragonbone Staff for the PS2. THAT was a terrible game.

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