Diablo III

[Meandor]

When i read this news i reinstalled Diablo 2 LoD and started playing it again.

Anyone else did that?

[darknessfood]

Well, wanted to do the same but i lost one of the instalation disk form the original (cd 1), so i can't. Buthtne i installed Titan Quest, haven't played that one for long, so i'm goin to play that game now !

[Infiltrator]

Support character with buffs, heals and enemy debuffs. Since all classes need to be solo viable, this character probably also has combat skills. The Paladin filled this role in D2, and could do so still. No gender problems.

There can't be a pure support char. That does just doesn't work in a game like Diablo. He must have one form of offensive capability, like BH or charge or extreme elemental resitances coupled with a high damaging melee. When you compare the Barb and Pally in D2 you certainly don't see the Barb going long ways both in vitality or dps from the paladin or most other classes based on their spec.

Ranged combat specialist. Ranged weapons are confirmed in the game, so it's only logical that there is a character that uses them. Likely to be similar to the Amazon, but all classes have both male and female versions, so the Amazon is probably out. Perhaps the Rogue or a revamped assassin.

Why exactly should Amazon be excluded if they have both genders? Even if they rename it, what's the problem with one ranged specialist staying in the game?

Mixing or combining it with the assassin is a very bad idea, the assa should stay as its own class, as it is pretty distinct - combos, poisons, traps, melee specialist but weak in toe-toe combat. Perhaps add a limited stealth mechanic.

And yea a primary specialist ala-sorc is a no-brainer..

[danijel1990]

Diablo III looks really good . I can't wait ! Is there any estimated release date? Or anyone knows what's happening in the storyline?

[Suleman]

Support character with buffs, heals and enemy debuffs. Since all classes need to be solo viable, this character probably also has combat skills. The Paladin filled this role in D2, and could do so still. No gender problems.

There can't be a pure support char. That does just doesn't work in a game like Diablo. He must have one form of offensive capability, like BH or charge or extreme elemental resitances coupled with a high damaging melee. When you compare the Barb and Pally in D2 you certainly don't see the Barb going long ways both in vitality or dps from the paladin or most other classes based on their spec.

Not pure support. I never claimed they were pure support. However, they do have a lot of skills that support the team. If 2/3 of your skills are team-benefitting auras, you count as a fricking support character. Of course the supporter would be good in melee as well, that's traditional in western RPGs.

Ranged combat specialist. Ranged weapons are confirmed in the game, so it's only logical that there is a character that uses them. Likely to be similar to the Amazon, but all classes have both male and female versions, so the Amazon is probably out. Perhaps the Rogue or a revamped assassin.

Why exactly should Amazon be excluded if they have both genders? Even if they rename it, what's the problem with one ranged specialist staying in the game?

Mixing or combining it with the assassin is a very bad idea, the assa should stay as its own class, as it is pretty distinct - combos, poisons, traps, melee specialist but weak in toe-toe combat. Perhaps add a limited stealth mechanic.

The Amazons are, by definition, a female warrior tribe. The D2 lore spesifically states that their males are not warriors, but traders. Rogues, on the other hand, could potentially have male members too.
The assassin isn't quite fitting for a core character, since she does not fill any one of the basic roles I mentioned. That's why I suggested combining her with the ranged specialist, since traps, stealth and speed enchancements and some of her other skills would be pretty interesting with a ranged character. It's not that far-fetched for rogues to use traps and other sneaky stuff. Martial arts and other melee skills, on the other hand, would not work that well.

[Panda Tar]

I take it you haven't seen the gameplay video...

A lot of the objects in the first part of the video are destructible (I'm downloading it, because I couldn't clearly hear the narrator's voice when I tried streaming the video).

Also, the skeletons (?) scaling up the wall in the first minute to battle the Barbarian is one heck of a creepy touch.

I wonder just how destructible the areas will be though.

I guess I'll download to fill in my curiosity.

[darknessfood]

Diablo III looks really good . I can't wait ! Is there any estimated release date? Or anyone knows what's happening in the storyline?

Well, just check out the site, you can read some stuff from that over there

[Infiltrator]

Not pure support. I never claimed they were pure support. However, they do have a lot of skills that support the team. If 2/3 of your skills are team-benefitting auras, you count as a fricking support character. Of course the supporter would be good in melee as well, that's traditional in western RPGs.

Pally has barely 1/3 of support skills, most of which are often used at just supporting himself.. 2/3 support char just wouldn't work..

The Amazons are, by definition, a female warrior tribe. The D2 lore spesifically states that their males are not warriors, but traders. Rogues, on the other hand, could potentially have male members too.

That is why I said, if they rename it, then there are no further obstructions.

The assassin isn't quite fitting for a core character, since she does not fill any one of the basic roles I mentioned. That's why I suggested combining her with the ranged specialist, since traps, stealth and speed enchancements and some of her other skills would be pretty interesting with a ranged character. It's not that far-fetched for rogues to use traps and other sneaky stuff. Martial arts and other melee skills, on the other hand, would not work that well.

Totally disagree. While it may be "interesting" I certainly don't see it viable, unless either her range, combos or traps get watered down, because they are too good in combination if kept at the power of either of the Ama/Assa from D2, and power is what its all about in Diablo.

[Suleman]

Not pure support. I never claimed they were pure support. However, they do have a lot of skills that support the team. If 2/3 of your skills are team-benefitting auras, you count as a fricking support character. Of course the supporter would be good in melee as well, that's traditional in western RPGs.

Pally has barely 1/3 of support skills, most of which are often used at just supporting himself.. 2/3 support char just wouldn't work..

Did you read what I wrote? 2/3 of the paladin's skills in D2 were auras, all of which save fanaticism and that corpse-destroying aura support the party equally. Though they are used primarily to assist the paladin himself, they are still support skills. No other character is as good at supporting the party. The barbarian has some useful warcries, but most people only use three, and mostly for themselves. The Druid has spirits, but they're pretty weak. The Necromancer has curses and summons, so he might count, too. The paladin, however, supports the party instead of debuffing the enemies like the necromancer.
My point is this: Though the paladin is not necessarily played as a support character, it has the most potential for supporting, and the support character in D3 will likely be similar to the D2 paladin. As far as I can understand, we share the same opinion, but are arguing about one definition.

The Amazons are, by definition, a female warrior tribe. The D2 lore spesifically states that their males are not warriors, but traders. Rogues, on the other hand, could potentially have male members too.

That is why I said, if they rename it, then there are no further obstructions.

It doesn't work like that. They cannot be the same characters, because the males of the amazon tribe are not warriors and thus cannot perform the same role. Lore-wise, the amazon can no longer fulfill the role of ranged specialist because there cannot be male amazon warriors. Therefore, the ranged specialist must be a different character, such as the rogue.
Because the new ranged specialist is not the Amazon, it will most likely not share the same skills.
I'm pretty serious when it comes to lore.

The assassin isn't quite fitting for a core character, since she does not fill any one of the basic roles I mentioned. That's why I suggested combining her with the ranged specialist, since traps, stealth and speed enchancements and some of her other skills would be pretty interesting with a ranged character. It's not that far-fetched for rogues to use traps and other sneaky stuff. Martial arts and other melee skills, on the other hand, would not work that well.

Totally disagree. While it may be "interesting" I certainly don't see it viable, unless either her range, combos or traps get watered down, because they are too good in combination if kept at the power of either of the Ama/Assa from D2, and power is what its all about in Diablo.

Since the entire pack is completely shuffled in D3, I wouldn't worry about that. Both the barbarian and the Witch Doctor are different from their D2 incarnations, and so will the other classes. I mean, you could argue that the witch doctor is too powerful because he gets more nukes than the necromancer, or because he gets the barbarian's howl.
Diablo 3 is not the same thing as Diablo 2.

[ThunderTitan]

Because obviously the SISTERhood of the Sightless Eye is full of males...
face it people, the only reason the Rogue is in is because the name works for both sexes, while Amazon doesn't...

[Infiltrator]

Did you read what I wrote? 2/3 of the paladin's skills in D2 were auras, all of which save fanaticism and that corpse-destroying aura support the party equally. Though they are used primarily to assist the paladin himself, they are still support skills. No other character is as good at supporting the party. The barbarian has some useful warcries, but most people only use three, and mostly for themselves. The Druid has spirits, but they're pretty weak. The Necromancer has curses and summons, so he might count, too. The paladin, however, supports the party instead of debuffing the enemies like the necromancer.
My point is this: Though the paladin is not necessarily played as a support character, it has the most potential for supporting, and the support character in D3 will likely be similar to the D2 paladin. As far as I can understand, we share the same opinion, but are arguing about one definition.

What I meant with 1/3 of pally skills are support is just the fact that the other 1/3 of auras are offensive auras. But yea, if they do introduce a paladin or a shaman or anything similar, it's prolly gonna be along the line of what the pally was in d2.

It doesn't work like that. They cannot be the same characters, because the males of the amazon tribe are not warriors and thus cannot perform the same role. Lore-wise, the amazon can no longer fulfill the role of ranged specialist because there cannot be male amazon warriors. Therefore, the ranged specialist must be a different character, such as the rogue.
Because the new ranged specialist is not the Amazon, it will most likely not share the same skills.
I'm pretty serious when it comes to lore.

I meant rename as re-invent. Call em sharpshooters, marksmen, hunters or whatnot and give them the same role, problem solved.

Since the entire pack is completely shuffled in D3, I wouldn't worry about that. Both the barbarian and the Witch Doctor are different from their D2 incarnations, and so will the other classes. I mean, you could argue that the witch doctor is too powerful because he gets more nukes than the necromancer, or because he gets the barbarian's howl.
Diablo 3 is not the same thing as Diablo 2.

Barbarian has had quite minimal changes from what I can see. WD in my opinion got far LESS nukes then the necro, I was a bonemancer primarily, and the nuking power of that tree is undisputable, I doubt the WD will get any sort of long range or homing nukes that can take down most people in 2 hits. I know D3 is not the same thing as D2, and I don't want it to be. I want a new and improved assassin (since my sweet bonemancer is gone), just like the barb got his skills tweaked but remained the same all in all.

[Panda Tar]

What I meant with 1/3 of pally skills are support is just the fact that the other 1/3 of auras are offensive auras.

Which can also be a support for teams, giving them also offensive power.

I liked assassin too and the druid. I just expect they'll bring interesting choices for playing. I don't expect having 'my' assassin or druid back and I don't really want to.

[Suleman]

Because obviously the SISTERhood of the Sightless Eye is full of males...
face it people, the only reason the Rogue is in is because the name works for both sexes, while Amazon doesn't...

The rogue isn't necessarily in. Sure, one site reported that there was a rogue in the gameplay video, but it was a female barbarian.
Yeah, the sisterhood of the sightless eye, I'm aware. It's just more plausible for them to include men than the amazons.

[DaveO]

I wasn't impressed with Diablo 3 stuff, since it seemed more like Diablo 2.5 with an evolution and not a revolution like the difference between Diablo and Diablo 2. Even with the announcement, all the fanboys have to wait 3-6 years before release...

[Panda Tar]

Even with the announcement, all the fanboys have to wait 3-6 years before release...

That's enough time for revolution. But after all these years, the first impact's already made: "they are making Diablo III". It's what fans wanted to hear. Now there are bonuses. Hopefully they might improve many things in near future.

[Meandor]

Yeah, the sisterhood of the sightless eye, I'm aware. It's just more plausible for them to include men than the amazons.

Why it`s plausible? I`m not big on Diablo lore so maybe i don`t know something.

[Suleman]

Yeah, the sisterhood of the sightless eye, I'm aware. It's just more plausible for them to include men than the amazons.

Why it`s plausible? I`m not big on Diablo lore so maybe i don`t know something.

"Male rogue" is not an oxymoron. "Male Amazon" is. That's basically what I meant.

[ThunderTitan]

"Male rogue" is not an oxymoron. "Male Amazon" is. That's basically what I meant.

Male member of a sisterhood is way worse then a male being part of a tribe/nation of women warriors... (kids have to come from somewhere) especially since the rainforest is refered as Amazonia...

[Suleman]

Sure the babies come from somewhere, but the males of the tribe are traders, whereas the rogues could just create a similar brotherhood and teach their secrets to them. To raise their dwindling numbers or something. The rogues seem to live in an area with males in generally equal or superior positions to women.

[Infiltrator]

So why are they called the sisterhood than?